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Licio Caleb
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2016-01-12 18:45:05 UTC
Hello;

I am new to this area of the forum and would like some guidance on how to determine if a investment is legit of if it is a scam.

Thanks.
Knitram Relik
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2016-01-12 18:59:29 UTC
What a coincidence. I'm just starting a wealth management consultation service. For 1 billion ISK I can get you in on the ground floor. It's just my and a Nigerian prince so far, but I expect well over 80% returns for my clients pet month.

Seriously, with 2 billion, I'd get into market trading or region trading if you don't mind micro managing the logistics.

"The problem with quotes on the internet is that it's really hard to verify their authenticity." - Abraham Lincoln
Licio Caleb
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2016-01-12 19:06:41 UTC
I am CEO, recruiter and FC... I don't have time to "trade".

My question had to do more with a loaning isk to legit people that would pay me back with interest. I really didn't think this was possible in eve until I read this section of the forum.
Cista2
EVE Museum
#4 - 2016-01-12 19:44:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Cista2
There are 2 type of offers. Some have collateral, like minerals or ships, as security. Those are completely safe when held by one of the acknowledged third parties, but they give you only 2% interest per month.

The unsecured type of offers (bonds) give you anything from 5% to 12% interest per month, but I wouldn't recommend those when you know nothing about the scam dangers.

You can also invest in me :D but that is currently only around 2% and unsecured. Maybe 3% in the near future but I aint promising anything.

My channel: "Signatures" -
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
SL33PERS
#5 - 2016-01-12 20:15:09 UTC
The collateralised loan market is pretty scarce, as most parties that have stock they can commit to one are usually looking to invest themselves.

The uncollateralised one, on the other hand offers very little security.

Two billion is low enough that you should be able to invest it into something relatively low-effort low-profit yourself.
Licio Caleb
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2016-01-12 20:39:14 UTC
You mean buy all of "a" for y and re-sell it for y+x, without having to haul it?
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#7 - 2016-01-12 20:52:36 UTC
Licio Caleb wrote:
I am CEO, recruiter and FC... I don't have time to "trade".




I want pledge 20bn for busy snowflake

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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Licio Caleb
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2016-01-12 20:58:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Licio Caleb
Bumblefck wrote:
Licio Caleb wrote:
I am CEO, recruiter and FC... I don't have time to "trade".




I want pledge 20bn for busy snowflake


I am here asking for advice and NOT bashing trade as a profession. I just don't enjoy trading as a profession in eve and find other activities more fun. Forgive me if I offended you.
Adunh Slavy
#9 - 2016-01-12 21:43:47 UTC
wait for a plex sale, try to buy at the bottom, hold and sell when you're happy. repeat.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#10 - 2016-01-12 21:57:04 UTC
Even if it isn't obviously a scam, you should treat it as such. I.e. you are gambling not investing. You have 2b, how much of that do you want to gamble with and how much do you want to invest with?

In eve there is no oversight, so in spite of similar terms (bond, stock, etc) these are gambling vehicles. I did put down 1m for a stock that ended up giving me 100m in dividends, but that isn't to recommend it, it's to point out that I had 1m and thought, "What the heck."

You invest in friends you know, or your invest in buying mission equipment, or you invest in trade. Not a lot of other investments in Eve.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Licio Caleb
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2016-01-12 23:08:02 UTC
tkx for all the info guys!
Pix Severus
Empty You
#12 - 2016-01-13 02:55:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Pix Severus
If it seems too good to be true, it's a scam.
If it seems legit, it's a scam.
If in doubt, it's a scam.

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Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
SL33PERS
#13 - 2016-01-13 07:36:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Ria Nieyli
Licio Caleb wrote:
You mean buy all of "a" for y and re-sell it for y+x, without having to haul it?


Some hauling involved. Unfortunately for you, people will rarely disclose what their moneymaker is. Nobody is going to increase competition to himself.
Darkstar01
Doomheim
#14 - 2016-01-13 07:42:12 UTC
Licio Caleb wrote:
I am CEO, recruiter and FC... I don't have time to "trade".

My question had to do more with a loaning isk to legit people that would pay me back with interest. I really didn't think this was possible in eve until I read this section of the forum.


Oh stop being so modest.

It should be:

Licio Caleb, CEO
Recruiter, Caldari State Regulars
FC, Third Fleet First Regimen
Chairman, The Corporation Selection Committee
Board of Directors, CreoDron
Advisor, Caldari Navy
virm pasuul
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2016-01-14 12:57:38 UTC
Licio Caleb wrote:
You mean buy all of "a" for y and re-sell it for y+x, without having to haul it?


Give up completely on the word "ALL".
Any plan you have that uses the word "all" should be rejected instantly.

Try this plan instead:
Buy low, sell high.
Ruvin
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2016-01-14 14:01:17 UTC
also , 2kkk is pocket change. Any profit over a couple of months would be not worth even to bother with it.

time to find the deal, and settle the details lets say it would take 30 minutes ?
Youl make more profits ratting those 30 minutes then investing .

Opportunities multiply as they are seized.
Plleasure Hub
Municorn
#17 - 2016-01-15 00:11:54 UTC
Some insights on dealing with unsecured loans were given in this thread in 2014. Give it a read!

I am running a fast-growing EVE business, and I would be happy to utilize your 2B in exchange for 5% interest per month. I would need to be able to use it for 6 months, with interest paid monthly. Reply here or message me if you're interested in those terms. For background information on me, see my last bond thread for my full history.

"There's no meaningful difference between a real and a virtual world. It's pointless to ask anyone who they really are. All you can do is accept and believe in them, because whoever they are in your mind, is their true identity." — Kazuto Kirigaya
Dethmourne Silvermane
Oasis United
#18 - 2016-01-15 20:53:36 UTC
I mean, if you want a 3%/month return, I'd take 2b off your hands and run 3% interest indefinitely. I don't have anything in particular I want 2b for, but I could put it into basically anything and make enough to cover your interest plus enough to keep me logging in to recycle the money back into endeavours.

Interested Party (TM)
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#19 - 2016-01-16 03:22:00 UTC
Dethmourne Silvermane wrote:
I mean, if you want a 3%/month return, I'd take 2b off your hands and run 3% interest indefinitely. I don't have anything in particular I want 2b for, but I could put it into basically anything and make enough to cover your interest plus enough to keep me logging in to recycle the money back into endeavours.


literally is that easy, i never understood why investors take such risk, for such low returns.

Im confident, if put in the position you described, i could make the interest payment within the first few trades, rest is cream.

@JerryTPepridge
Plleasure Hub
Municorn
#20 - 2016-01-16 14:28:01 UTC
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
i never understood why investors take such risk, for such low returns.
Because it takes very little effort on their part to earn said return. If someone hates .01-isking (and I would not blame them), they may not want to trade, as low effort as it is. And so if they would have left that 2B collecting dust, why not earn a meager return instead? Assuming they don't get scammed, an investment is going to net them the greatest ISK for the least amount of keystrokes and brain calories.

"There's no meaningful difference between a real and a virtual world. It's pointless to ask anyone who they really are. All you can do is accept and believe in them, because whoever they are in your mind, is their true identity." — Kazuto Kirigaya
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