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Vote Xenuria: CSM 11 - Reform The CSM

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Xenuria
#81 - 2016-01-10 19:55:33 UTC
Detra Koraka wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Detra Koraka wrote:


On topic:
And what would your platform be? Would you be so kind to put it in, like, 5 (more or less) clear points!?


Please see the first post of the thread also known as the OP or "Original Post".



Judging by your "OP" you're either running solely to reform CSM, and those reforms are outlined by a Goonswarm lead diplomat, and not you.

Can you outline your "reforms" in 5 simple points, with clear and concise sentences? Please!?


I am sorry if my explanation of my goals is not par with what you are looking for. There are simply things that are impossible for me to know. I am a CSM candidate, I am not ON the CSM.

My hope is that I have demonstrably proven to as many people as possible that I have the skill set and the aptitude to acomplish meaningful reform.
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#82 - 2016-01-10 20:04:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Alphea Abbra
Xenuria wrote:
My hope is that I have demonstrably proven to as many people as possible that I have the skill set and the aptitude to acomplish meaningful reform.
By having no clue, by lying all the time, by not answering questions or, just every once in a while, honestly admitting that you have no idea what the CSM does under which rules and regulations, and how to reform it?
You think even less of your voters than I do.

Edit: And I am just going to point out that you again failed to answer questions related to your campaigns. Not disappointed, since I knew you don't have any real answers to anything, seeing as you are a joke candidate.
Detra Koraka
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#83 - 2016-01-10 20:15:24 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Detra Koraka wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Detra Koraka wrote:


On topic:
And what would your platform be? Would you be so kind to put it in, like, 5 (more or less) clear points!?


Please see the first post of the thread also known as the OP or "Original Post".



Judging by your "OP" you're either running solely to reform CSM, and those reforms are outlined by a Goonswarm lead diplomat, and not you.

Can you outline your "reforms" in 5 simple points, with clear and concise sentences? Please!?


I am sorry if my explanation of my goals is not par with what you are looking for. There are simply things that are impossible for me to know. I am a CSM candidate, I am not ON the CSM.

My hope is that I have demonstrably proven to as many people as possible that I have the skill set and the aptitude to acomplish meaningful reform.


So, basically you have 2 complete sentences written by yourself in OP, excluding some history lesson, about what you want to accomplish if elected and you can't or won't put forth anythin more meaningfull than vague "reforms" buzzwords.

Let's try a different approach then:

What problems, besides some CSM-CCP drama, will CSM reform solve?
Xenuria
#84 - 2016-01-10 20:36:51 UTC
Alphea Abbra wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
My hope is that I have demonstrably proven to as many people as possible that I have the skill set and the aptitude to acomplish meaningful reform.
By having no clue, by lying all the time, by not answering questions or, just every once in a while, honestly admitting that you have no idea what the CSM does under which rules and regulations, and how to reform it?
You think even less of your voters than I do.

Edit: And I am just going to point out that you again failed to answer questions related to your campaigns. Not disappointed, since I knew you don't have any real answers to anything, seeing as you are a joke candidate.


Accusing me of being a liar isn't only comical it's a personal attack. At the very least back up your accusation with some evidence.
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#85 - 2016-01-10 20:51:54 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Alphea Abbra wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
My hope is that I have demonstrably proven to as many people as possible that I have the skill set and the aptitude to acomplish meaningful reform.
By having no clue, by lying all the time, by not answering questions or, just every once in a while, honestly admitting that you have no idea what the CSM does under which rules and regulations, and how to reform it?
You think even less of your voters than I do.

Edit: And I am just going to point out that you again failed to answer questions related to your campaigns. Not disappointed, since I knew you don't have any real answers to anything, seeing as you are a joke candidate.


Accusing me of being a liar isn't only comical it's a personal attack. At the very least back up your accusation with some evidence.
You mean the evidence that I continually quoted for you, in the last thread, and continually ask you to respond to?
If you took two minutes to read my allegations and questions, you'd know exactly why I know you're lying (Feel free to add whatever you haven't made public if you so desire). You'd also know why you're continuously deceptive and unreliable.
You won't even quote when I quote the sources and claims, and I'm guessing it's because you'd then pretty much have to acknowledge that dishonesty is one of your defining traits?
Seraph IX Basarab
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#86 - 2016-01-10 21:22:29 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
List 3 ways you plan to reform the CSM.


I already did, please check the first page of the thread where I talk about white paper reform and related systems.



Yeah I did that. So your relevant parts:

"Reform in the context of the CSM would entail overhauling the white paper, installing safety measures, changing the language used when discussing certain topics, advocating and pushing for policy changes that encourage honesty but discourage superficial posturing. I suppose the problem is that when I say Reform I expect people to know what I mean without me having to list any number of things that are reformative.

For me it's sometimes difficult for me to explain what I mean without a specific context. Let me give you an example.


Q What are your reforms?
A Uhhh

Q How would you reform the CSM NDA?
A I would construct a spanning tree rubric with dates and subject tags that allowed for everybody under NDA to know explicitly what they are and are not allowed to discuss and with whom. "


1. Overhauling the white paper.

In what way?

2. Installing Safety Measures.

Such as?

3. Changing the language used when discussing topics.

Changing the language from what to what?

4. Advocating policies that encourage honesty but discourage superficial posturing.

"discourage superficial posturing"...could start with your posts.



Could you answer these questions?


No I cannot. I am not on the CSM yet and thus not privy to the majority of information that would inform the specifics of my platform.



"We have to vote the bill in before we know what it says."


Literally Xenuria.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#87 - 2016-01-10 23:28:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Xenuria, you have my vote this year.
I am not joking.

After FozzieSOV making Null Sec a more shallow game and those stupid new destroyers, which destroyed the frigate meta after years of balancing work, you are the candidate that CCP deserves.

Another reason to vote for you is skill injectors / extractors.
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
The "fun" thing as Mike and Raine were discussing is the drastic changes.

So, you see some newish alt come in, you kill it easily and when you see it jump a gate, you rush to kill it again ... but now it is in a much tougher ship and hot drops you while hard tackling.

I see a lot more risk adverse game playing in the future.
Far more crying about care bears docking up and not coming out to fight.

"Know thy enemy," goes flying out the window.
EVE keeps on selling out.

Not even once.

So much stupid from the same team at CCP.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

ChYph3r
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
#88 - 2016-01-11 00:52:44 UTC
Xenuria and I haven't seen eye to eye in years past. I have blasted him on podcasts and in these very forums. However, while he was in KarmaFleet, I got to listen to the man behind the character. Hes actually a decent person, and a very good troll.

I welcome his candidacy for CSM 11.

Want to find all the podcasts around EVE Online visit http://evepodcasts.com @chyph3r  on Twitter

Mynxee
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
#89 - 2016-01-11 06:03:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Mynxee
CSM reform is needed, given that every one of the last 10 councils has had similar patterns of communications issues with CCP and/or NDA-related drama. What kind of reform I don't know, given the organizational structure of the institution. I sometimes wonder if any reform is possible that would address the most pressing recurrent issues.

However, my own experience on the CSM plus observable history suggests that a CSM reform platform is likely to get at best a tiny slice of time from the scant few devs who oversee/manage the CSM project. If you can't get any attention from them or other council members on your CSM reform issues, what game-related expertise do you bring to the party so that you can be an actively contributing council member the rest of the time?

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Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#90 - 2016-01-11 10:35:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Alphea Abbra
Mynxee wrote:
CSM reform is needed, given that every one of the last 10 councils has had similar patterns of communications issues with CCP and/or NDA-related drama. What kind of reform I don't know, given the organizational structure of the institution. I sometimes wonder if any reform is possible that would address the most pressing recurrent issues.

However, my own experience on the CSM plus observable history suggests that a CSM reform platform is likely to get at best a tiny slice of time from the scant few devs who oversee/manage the CSM project. If you can't get any attention from them or other council members on your CSM reform issues, what game-related expertise do you bring to the party so that you can be an actively contributing council member the rest of the time?
I'm pretty sure Xenuria actually has answered a question like that back in his CSM10 thread. I'm currently around page 11, so when I get the exact quote, I'll get back to you.
But back then, the answer was that Xenuria would listen to the other CSM people on such subjects.
Edit: Here are the relevant quotes, all are visible on page 14:
Quote:
Xenuria
1. I am not very experienced with Cloaking or Camping so I would defer to somebody who was.

Quote:
Kiryen O'Bannon
Finally, one other question - obviously the CSM will not spend all of its time on your issues. What do you plan to advocate for when not dealing with CSM-selection-related items?

Quote:
Xenuria
I am happy to do whatever else needs doing.

The rest of the thread is still hilarious. Xenuria has perfected the art of not answering questions - several RL politicians could look at this and learn something from it!


Of course, Xenurias election threads are always a laugh to read through. For example, Xenuria thought that being placed on the bottom of a ballot, compared to not being on a ballot at all, can hurt a candidates chances (Xenuria also thought that any null-sec coalition had placed him on their ballots, but that is likely born out of ignorance of the voting system, to explain why a complete joke and failure like him can't be elected by its own rights - it hurts his ego to have it evaluated by meeting reality), or that CFC candidates have been in majority for years, or that 90% of his voter base is female... or plenty of other idiotic things. And he must know he's lying, because he gives sources that clearly does not say what he lies about all the time.

The only thing in this that surprises me is that GSF have decided to allow him in, and now some Goons say that they'll support him. If Xenuria gets elected, it's because he joined those who have been his "best" argument for reform (Namely that the many, organised votes of the CFC gets results in elections). I find it hilarious that Xenuria, in order to get elected, joins those who he earlier said he'd fight against, simply because they have the organisation that can get people elected irregardless of a candidates actual appeal or abilities!
Xenuria
#91 - 2016-01-11 12:29:27 UTC
Mynxee wrote:
CSM reform is needed, given that every one of the last 10 councils has had similar patterns of communications issues with CCP and/or NDA-related drama. What kind of reform I don't know, given the organizational structure of the institution. I sometimes wonder if any reform is possible that would address the most pressing recurrent issues.

However, my own experience on the CSM plus observable history suggests that a CSM reform platform is likely to get at best a tiny slice of time from the scant few devs who oversee/manage the CSM project. If you can't get any attention from them or other council members on your CSM reform issues, what game-related expertise do you bring to the party so that you can be an actively contributing council member the rest of the time?


Solid Question.

I have a really good understanding of player behavioral patterns when it comes to PVE and the value of vanity items. I have lived in high sec space for extended periods of time and learned a great deal about the mentality of players there. I think if at any point CSM/CCP discussions had to do with psychology or behavioral analysis of a particular aspect of game-play, I would be able to contribute insights in a meaningful way.
Detra Koraka
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#92 - 2016-01-11 21:13:40 UTC
Alphea Abbra wrote:

The only thing in this that surprises me is that GSF have decided to allow him in, and now some Goons say that they'll support him. If Xenuria gets elected, it's because he joined those who have been his "best" argument for reform (Namely that the many, organised votes of the CFC gets results in elections). I find it hilarious that Xenuria, in order to get elected, joins those who he earlier said he'd fight against, simply because they have the organisation that can get people elected irregardless of a candidates actual appeal or abilities!



I'd put that somewhere in DSM - IV - TR range.
Mynxee
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
#93 - 2016-01-12 00:44:06 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Mynxee wrote:
CSM reform is needed, given that every one of the last 10 councils has had similar patterns of communications issues with CCP and/or NDA-related drama. What kind of reform I don't know, given the organizational structure of the institution. I sometimes wonder if any reform is possible that would address the most pressing recurrent issues.

However, my own experience on the CSM plus observable history suggests that a CSM reform platform is likely to get at best a tiny slice of time from the scant few devs who oversee/manage the CSM project. If you can't get any attention from them or other council members on your CSM reform issues, what game-related expertise do you bring to the party so that you can be an actively contributing council member the rest of the time?


Solid Question.

I have a really good understanding of player behavioral patterns when it comes to PVE and the value of vanity items. I have lived in high sec space for extended periods of time and learned a great deal about the mentality of players there. I think if at any point CSM/CCP discussions had to do with psychology or behavioral analysis of a particular aspect of game-play, I would be able to contribute insights in a meaningful way.



Thanks for your reply. I expect that kind of contribution could be very useful indeed.

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Mynxee
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
#94 - 2016-01-12 01:45:35 UTC
Alphea Abbra wrote:
Mynxee wrote:
CSM reform is needed, given that every one of the last 10 councils has had similar patterns of communications issues with CCP and/or NDA-related drama. What kind of reform I don't know, given the organizational structure of the institution. I sometimes wonder if any reform is possible that would address the most pressing recurrent issues.

However, my own experience on the CSM plus observable history suggests that a CSM reform platform is likely to get at best a tiny slice of time from the scant few devs who oversee/manage the CSM project. If you can't get any attention from them or other council members on your CSM reform issues, what game-related expertise do you bring to the party so that you can be an actively contributing council member the rest of the time?
I'm pretty sure Xenuria actually has answered a question like that back in his CSM10 thread. I'm currently around page 11, so when I get the exact quote, I'll get back to you.
But back then, the answer was that Xenuria would listen to the other CSM people on such subjects.
Edit: Here are the relevant quotes, all are visible on page 14:
Quote:
Xenuria
1. I am not very experienced with Cloaking or Camping so I would defer to somebody who was.

Quote:
Kiryen O'Bannon
Finally, one other question - obviously the CSM will not spend all of its time on your issues. What do you plan to advocate for when not dealing with CSM-selection-related items?

Quote:
Xenuria
I am happy to do whatever else needs doing.

The rest of the thread is still hilarious. Xenuria has perfected the art of not answering questions - several RL politicians could look at this and learn something from it!


Of course, Xenurias election threads are always a laugh to read through. For example, Xenuria thought that being placed on the bottom of a ballot, compared to not being on a ballot at all, can hurt a candidates chances (Xenuria also thought that any null-sec coalition had placed him on their ballots, but that is likely born out of ignorance of the voting system, to explain why a complete joke and failure like him can't be elected by its own rights - it hurts his ego to have it evaluated by meeting reality), or that CFC candidates have been in majority for years, or that 90% of his voter base is female... or plenty of other idiotic things. And he must know he's lying, because he gives sources that clearly does not say what he lies about all the time.

The only thing in this that surprises me is that GSF have decided to allow him in, and now some Goons say that they'll support him. If Xenuria gets elected, it's because he joined those who have been his "best" argument for reform (Namely that the many, organised votes of the CFC gets results in elections). I find it hilarious that Xenuria, in order to get elected, joins those who he earlier said he'd fight against, simply because they have the organisation that can get people elected irregardless of a candidates actual appeal or abilities!



"E" for effort but the comments you find such a laugh to read through were written by a young person roughly six years ago. People--especially at Xenuria's age then--tend to mature and change for the better over such a long time. Might be an idea to give him the benefit of the doubt on that one, don't crucify him for mistakes or questionable behavior that occurred in ancient history, and confine your assessment of his candidacy to his current platform and how he conducts himself in the here and now.

That said, in reference to his six year old comments, I'm willing to believe that as a CSM he'll still be on board with listening to more knowledgeable others on given topics and will energetically pitch in where he has skills and knowledge to apply. As for his social interaction skills and ability to collaborate effectively, he seems to be aware of his own shortcomings. Hopefully if (when?) he is elected, he will make an honest effort to be a productive CSM and his fellow council members and CCP will make an honest effort to work with him rather than simply dismiss him.

Does this mean I plan to vote for him? Probably not...he doesn't need my vote to get elected. And hey, he might end up being a terrible CSM; I can't predict the future and I've been *very* wrong about some past candidates. However, I happen to believe that everyone deserves respectful consideration based on current and relevant information, including Xenuria.




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Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#95 - 2016-01-12 18:32:31 UTC
Mynxee wrote:
"E" for effort but the comments you find such a laugh to read through were written by a young person roughly six years ago. People--especially at Xenuria's age then--tend to mature and change for the better over such a long time.
You subtract 2014-05-25 from 2016-01-12 and get 6 years? Besides, Xenuria ran for the first time way back, and so must be 21 + the years since then.

Quote:
Might be an idea to give him the benefit of the doubt on that one, don't crucify him for mistakes or questionable behavior that occurred in ancient history, and confine your assessment of his candidacy to his current platform and how he conducts himself in the here and now.
When someone hasn't changed, and still advocate the same idiotic ideas as 1, 2, 3 or more years ago, there's not really any doubt.

Quote:
I'm willing to believe that as a CSM he'll still be on board with listening to more knowledgeable others on given topics and will energetically pitch in where he has skills and knowledge to apply.
So Xenuria will pitch in at no time during his CSM tenure, and will always listen to the other CSM members? Then why have him there?
Quote:
As for his social interaction skills and ability to collaborate effectively, he seems to be aware of his own shortcomings.
You seem to have skipped both this, his old CSM11 and his CSM10 threads. Check out his history and you'll confirm that Xenurias issues aren't just social interaction, it's also megalomania and a messiah complex, plus inability to ever listen to criticism or answer questions. A lot of other people tried to help him in CSM10/11 (And probably even earlier, but I can't quite remember), but were written off as trolls. I still don't get why they ever tried to improve Xenurias campaign since I find it futile, but they made an honest effort. No self-reflection from Xenuria so far.

Quote:
Hopefully if (when?) he is elected, he will make an honest effort to be a productive CSM and his fellow council members and CCP will make an honest effort to work with him rather than simply dismiss him.
Xenuria is either a troll candidate or a deluded idiot. It's not really viable to work with him in either scenario.

(I got to the quote limit) "I happen to believe that everyone deserves respectful consideration based on current and relevant information, including Xenuria."
As do I. It's just that Xenuria doesn't look too well in such a comparison either, and if CFC leadership really does endorse him, he stands a real chance of getting in. That makes it less fun to watch his CSM threads than it was in other years, where it was an absolute trainwreck you could enjoy whenever you had spare time.
Mynxee
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
#96 - 2016-01-12 20:11:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Mynxee
Alphea Abbra wrote:
Mynxee wrote:
"E" for effort but the comments you find such a laugh to read through were written by a young person roughly six years ago. People--especially at Xenuria's age then--tend to mature and change for the better over such a long time.
You subtract 2014-05-25 from 2016-01-12 and get 6 years? Besides, Xenuria ran for the first time way back, and so must be 21 + the years since then.


Absolute reading fail on my part ... somehow I misread "CSM10" as "2010" and did stupidmath. I still stand by my statement that people can change for the better and we should focus on the now and be willing to acknowledge positive change when we see it.

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Lauresh Thellere
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#97 - 2016-01-13 13:04:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Lauresh Thellere
Mynxee wrote:
Alphea Abbra wrote:
Mynxee wrote:
"E" for effort but the comments you find such a laugh to read through were written by a young person roughly six years ago. People--especially at Xenuria's age then--tend to mature and change for the better over such a long time.
You subtract 2014-05-25 from 2016-01-12 and get 6 years? Besides, Xenuria ran for the first time way back, and so must be 21 + the years since then.


Absolute reading fail on my part ... somehow I misread "CSM10" as "2010" and did stupidmath. I still stand by my statement that people can change for the better and we should focus on the now and be willing to acknowledge positive change when we see it.


While I agree that people can change, I'm not convinced Xenuria has changed enough to actually be a valued and constructive member of the CSM. I have the fear that Xenuria will do what Xenuria does and dwell on trivial issues that nobody other than he cares about and will just **** off CCP due to him refusing to let it go when they say no. His last trivial issue was high heels or something and he abused the CCP staff member on livestream.

Xenuria absolutely has the passion needed for a CSM member but his passion is quite often misdirected to trivial issues and he refuses to accept any questions or criticism instead labelling those people as trolls. I myself have been labelled as a troll by Xenuria for asking honest questions about his campaign.

Edit: Apparently CCP are trying to get an E rating for their forums and have censored out some of the most basic of english words.
Casual Genius
Bad Influence
Beanstalk Inc.
#98 - 2016-01-13 15:51:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Casual Genius
The CSM needs changes for sure. When i first came to this topic i got actually hooked and thougth this would be the person to vote for. Sadly while moving thru the last 5 pages , i only saw you basically avoiding all specific questions on how you actually in detail want to reform it. This leads me to the belive that your one of the ppl that only scream loudly but have actualy no real clue of the inner workings inside the CSM.

Dont come at me with read page 1. You are campaigning for a CSM seat, to focus on a specifc task during your CSM period. So give us some informations. Tell me what kind of processes are in the CSM , how they are currently working , and on which points you see potentional for change.

If you cant answer that , means you havent analyzed the current CSM and its pocesses, and cant therefore represent us in this specific task ( reforming CSM )

Thank you ! Hope to get some answers Blink
Xenuria
#99 - 2016-01-13 18:59:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Xenuria
Casual Genius wrote:
The CSM needs changes for sure. When i first came to this topic i got actually hooked and thougth this would be the person to vote for. Sadly while moving thru the last 5 pages , i only saw you basically avoiding all specific questions on how you actually in detail want to reform it. This leads me to the belive that your one of the ppl that only scream loudly but have actualy no real clue of the inner workings inside the CSM.

Dont come at me with read page 1. You are campaigning for a CSM seat, to focus on a specifc task during your CSM period. So give us some informations. Tell me what kind of processes are in the CSM , how they are currently working , and on which points you see potentional for change.

If you cant answer that , means you havent analyzed the current CSM and its pocesses, and cant therefore represent us in this specific task ( reforming CSM )

Thank you ! Hope to get some answers Blink



"no clue of the inner workings"

You are 100% correct. This is because there is something called an NDA or Non-disclosure agreement that all members of the CSM agree too. This means individuals who are not on the CSM are not privy to insider information. It's silly to accuse me or being intentionally vague when I have the same amount of access to information that you or any other player does. I am no a psychic I can't read minds and I don't have a deep cover infiltrator inside CCP.

So please, let's be reasonable.

This is not a platform about something all players have granular and specific information about. This isn't about wormholes or sov or minning or pve. This is a reform platform which means there are black boxes and unknowns.
Casual Genius
Bad Influence
Beanstalk Inc.
#100 - 2016-01-13 19:12:05 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Casual Genius wrote:
The CSM needs changes for sure. When i first came to this topic i got actually hooked and thougth this would be the person to vote for. Sadly while moving thru the last 5 pages , i only saw you basically avoiding all specific questions on how you actually in detail want to reform it. This leads me to the belive that your one of the ppl that only scream loudly but have actualy no real clue of the inner workings inside the CSM.

Dont come at me with read page 1. You are campaigning for a CSM seat, to focus on a specifc task during your CSM period. So give us some informations. Tell me what kind of processes are in the CSM , how they are currently working , and on which points you see potentional for change.

If you cant answer that , means you havent analyzed the current CSM and its pocesses, and cant therefore represent us in this specific task ( reforming CSM )

Thank you ! Hope to get some answers Blink



"no clue of the inner workings"

You are 100% correct. This is because there is something called an NDA or Non-disclosure agreement that all members of the CSM agree too. This means individuals who are not on the CSM are not privy to insider information. It's silly to accuse me or being intentionally vague when I have the same amount of access to information that you or any other player does. I am no a psychic I can't read minds and I don't have a deep cover infiltrator inside CCP.

So please, let's be reasonable.

This is not a platform about something all players have granular and specific information about. This isn't about wormholes or sov or minning or pve. This is a reform platform which means there are black boxes and unknowns.



Thanks for the reply :)