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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#1 - 2016-01-10 16:33:31 UTC
Can I get a definition?

Seems that anything that smells of criticism still gets locked these days. But here we go again.

Constructive criticism: Censorship will not improve EvE, only further entrench itself in its current values which are not working.

Constructive feedback: Restrict the forums to those that pay $$ for a sub. Amusing having someone who provides no financial support to the game telling me to leave it. You shouldn't care how much I play as long as I pay $$ to keep the doors open.

Constructive feedback: The point of my last post was lost so I will break it down. When companies struggle sometimes they need to not look to their management team or employees but go outside for creativity. CCP has never been good at development (see Dust 514 and World of Darkness) and the players are about tapped out. So instead of promoting from within how about looking outside for ideas. Pandering to this community exclusively...what is the definition of insanity?

Anyway, flame away, at least I am trying...and paying.
Max Fubarticus
K Diamond Holding LTD.
Bullets Bombs and Blondes
#2 - 2016-01-10 16:38:47 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
Can I get a definition?

Seems that anything that smells of criticism still gets locked these days. But here we go again.

Constructive criticism: Censorship will not improve EvE, only further entrench itself in its current values which are not working.

Constructive feedback: Restrict the forums to those that pay $$ for a sub. Amusing having someone who provides no financial support to the game telling me to leave it. You shouldn't care how much I play as long as I pay $$ to keep the doors open.

Constructive feedback: The point of my last post was lost so I will break it down. When companies struggle sometimes they need to not look to their management team or employees but go outside for creativity. CCP has never been good at development (see Dust 514 and World of Darkness) and the players are about tapped out. So instead of promoting from within how about looking outside for ideas. Pandering to this community exclusively...what is the definition of insanity?

Anyway, flame away, at least I am trying...and paying.



Here is some constructive criticism. Stop sweating the small stuff and enjoy the game we call Eve. ( And never stop your meds unless advised by your doctor! )

Have a wonderful day Big smile

Max

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#3 - 2016-01-10 16:56:29 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
Can I get a definition?


Click onto your posting history.

pretty much the opposite of anything you find in there.

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Memphis Baas
#4 - 2016-01-10 17:06:03 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
Constructive feedback: Restrict the forums to those that pay $$ for a sub.
This is already so; trial accounts can only post in the Newbie Questions sub-forum, and that's heavily moderated for actual questions and answers only.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#5 - 2016-01-10 18:33:07 UTC
Max Fubarticus wrote:
Here is some constructive criticism. Stop sweating the small stuff....

Heh, if one of my coworkers heard you say that, she would go on a rant about how "details are everything" and "small stuff is the whole point."

For some people, it is all about the details and "small stuff." And if those things are not lined up properly or "looking good," then everything is going to hell.
There is no "big picture" with these people.

How did you Veterans start?
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#6 - 2016-01-10 18:46:17 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
Constructive feedback: Restrict the forums to those that pay $$ for a sub.

OP, I'm sure you realise that someone bought the plex a player uses with RL monies from CCP, thereby putting money into CCP coffers same result as if they had bought that plex from CCP. Plex don't appear in the game out of nowhere, someone buys them from CCP. C'mon now...





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Furious Enterprises
#7 - 2016-01-10 18:58:06 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:

For some people, it is all about the details and "small stuff." And if those things are not lined up properly or "looking good," then everything is going to hell.


The devil is in the details.


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Paranoid Loyd
#8 - 2016-01-10 19:01:10 UTC
It's probably best you just don't post.

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Solecist Project
#9 - 2016-01-10 19:07:40 UTC
Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:
Nexus Day wrote:
Constructive feedback: Restrict the forums to those that pay $$ for a sub.

OP, I'm sure you realise that someone bought the plex a player uses with RL monies from CCP, thereby putting money into CCP coffers same result as if they had bought that plex from CCP. Plex don't appear in the game out of nowhere, someone buys them from CCP. C'mon now...

Yes, Vortexo ... and now let's apply some logic.

The only one who puts actual money into CCPs pocket is the one who bought the PLEX with money.
The other one does not, in any way or form, put money into CCPs pocket this way.


So now I ask you: What's better?

One person who puts money into CCPs pocket ...
... or two persons putting money into CCPs pocket?


If your answer is anything but "two", please don't your time responding.

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#10 - 2016-01-10 19:43:49 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:
Nexus Day wrote:
Constructive feedback: Restrict the forums to those that pay $$ for a sub.

OP, I'm sure you realise that someone bought the plex a player uses with RL monies from CCP, thereby putting money into CCP coffers same result as if they had bought that plex from CCP. Plex don't appear in the game out of nowhere, someone buys them from CCP. C'mon now...

Yes, Vortexo ... and now let's apply some logic.

The only one who puts actual money into CCPs pocket is the one who bought the PLEX with money.
The other one does not, in any way or form, put money into CCPs pocket this way.

Not exactly true.

When a player buys PLEX and sells it in-game, they are quite literally paying for another player's subscription in exchange for in-game currency.

This means that both players are effectively "paying" in a larger sense.


Here is a real life example:
Two people go out for dinner. One person pays for both of them. The other person (who didn't pay for the meal) can make up for this by providing something of similar value later on.
However, from the restaurant's perspective, both people have effectively paid. They don't care if the aforementioned people paid separately or one pays for themselves and the other. All that matters is that the money is in their pocket.

How did you Veterans start?
Mr Mieyli
Doomheim
#11 - 2016-01-10 19:54:15 UTC
Constructive criticism is when you propose something better than the system you're criticising. Starting off with "X is bad CCP you should be ashamed" with no further solutions is a good way to get your thread locked.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#12 - 2016-01-10 19:59:53 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
Can I get a definition?

Seems that anything that smells of criticism still gets locked these days. But here we go again.

Constructive criticism: Censorship will not improve EvE, only further entrench itself in its current values which are not working.

Constructive feedback: Restrict the forums to those that pay $$ for a sub. Amusing having someone who provides no financial support to the game telling me to leave it. You shouldn't care how much I play as long as I pay $$ to keep the doors open.

Constructive feedback: The point of my last post was lost so I will break it down. When companies struggle sometimes they need to not look to their management team or employees but go outside for creativity. CCP has never been good at development (see Dust 514 and World of Darkness) and the players are about tapped out. So instead of promoting from within how about looking outside for ideas. Pandering to this community exclusively...what is the definition of insanity?

Anyway, flame away, at least I am trying...and paying.


Whats funny is that this poster can't understand that it's not CCP or ISD that is his problem, it's himself. I criticize CCP all day long and have never had the problem he is complaining about.

Oh and that thing about people who plex not providing support is just incredibly stupid.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#13 - 2016-01-10 20:02:45 UTC
Constructive:

I think jump fatigue is not a very good system. The reason why is because it does this and this and this. I think that it could be a better system if you changed this and this and this

non constructive:

jump fatigue is space aids. what the **** are you morons at ccp thinking?!?1 are you trying to kill yoru game?!?! this sucks so bad, i cna;t wait till Star Citizen then eve will die lol

see the difference?

Contructive critizem is a logical arugment. You state a thesis, in the above "I think Jump Fatigue is not a very good system" Then you support that claim with facts, or points. you give exsamples of where the pain points are in detail. Then you typicaly provde a way to alieviate the pain points as you see them. Note: "just remove jump fatingue" is not constructive.

Non contructive is a non argumenative statement. there are no facts, points, or anything that can be used to fix or correct the pain points you are having. its essentually ranting.

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#14 - 2016-01-10 20:09:46 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:

Heh, if one of my coworkers heard you say that, she would go on a rant about how "details are everything" and "small stuff is the whole point."
There are two types of people.

The ones that see the big picture would clean up a pile of **** and the second would spend all day polishing the peanuts in it because...details.

Mr Epeen Cool
Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#15 - 2016-01-10 20:16:13 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:
Nexus Day wrote:
Constructive feedback: Restrict the forums to those that pay $$ for a sub.

OP, I'm sure you realise that someone bought the plex a player uses with RL monies from CCP, thereby putting money into CCP coffers same result as if they had bought that plex from CCP. Plex don't appear in the game out of nowhere, someone buys them from CCP. C'mon now...

Yes, Vortexo ... and now let's apply some logic.

The only one who puts actual money into CCPs pocket is the one who bought the PLEX with money.
The other one does not, in any way or form, put money into CCPs pocket this way.

Not exactly true.

When a player buys PLEX and sells it in-game, they are quite literally paying for another player's subscription in exchange for in-game currency.

This means that both players are effectively "paying" in a larger sense.


Here is a real life example:
Two people go out for dinner. One person pays for both of them. The other person (who didn't pay for the meal) can make up for this by providing something of similar value later on.
However, from the restaurant's perspective, both people have effectively paid. They don't care if the aforementioned people paid separately or one pays for themselves and the other. All that matters is that the money is in their pocket.


The issue i have with this post is thinking behind it.....

Sure at a resturant...if 1 person paid for two the place does not care cause it got its money worth.

With plex though....as you say 1 person pays $20, he uses or sells it....if selling he gets in game ISK from a player...not CCP.
Purchaser uses it to plex his account....CCP gets $0....
buy 1 get 1 free here is more like it....
In the restuarant idea....1 person pays $40 for 2 people to eat.......
just saying.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#16 - 2016-01-10 20:17:52 UTC
Max Deveron wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:
Nexus Day wrote:
Constructive feedback: Restrict the forums to those that pay $$ for a sub.

OP, I'm sure you realise that someone bought the plex a player uses with RL monies from CCP, thereby putting money into CCP coffers same result as if they had bought that plex from CCP. Plex don't appear in the game out of nowhere, someone buys them from CCP. C'mon now...

Yes, Vortexo ... and now let's apply some logic.

The only one who puts actual money into CCPs pocket is the one who bought the PLEX with money.
The other one does not, in any way or form, put money into CCPs pocket this way.

Not exactly true.

When a player buys PLEX and sells it in-game, they are quite literally paying for another player's subscription in exchange for in-game currency.

This means that both players are effectively "paying" in a larger sense.


Here is a real life example:
Two people go out for dinner. One person pays for both of them. The other person (who didn't pay for the meal) can make up for this by providing something of similar value later on.
However, from the restaurant's perspective, both people have effectively paid. They don't care if the aforementioned people paid separately or one pays for themselves and the other. All that matters is that the money is in their pocket.


The issue i have with this post is thinking behind it.....

Sure at a resturant...if 1 person paid for two the place does not care cause it got its money worth.

With plex though....as you say 1 person pays $20, he uses or sells it....if selling he gets in game ISK from a player...not CCP.
Purchaser uses it to plex his account....CCP gets $0....
buy 1 get 1 free here is more like it....
In the restuarant idea....1 person pays $40 for 2 people to eat.......
just saying.


except thats not how it works

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2016-01-10 20:27:02 UTC
Popcorn, fresh popcorn....


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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#18 - 2016-01-10 20:28:05 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Solecist Project wrote:
Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:
Nexus Day wrote:
Constructive feedback: Restrict the forums to those that pay $$ for a sub.

OP, I'm sure you realise that someone bought the plex a player uses with RL monies from CCP, thereby putting money into CCP coffers same result as if they had bought that plex from CCP. Plex don't appear in the game out of nowhere, someone buys them from CCP. C'mon now...

Yes, Vortexo ... and now let's apply some logic.

The only one who puts actual money into CCPs pocket is the one who bought the PLEX with money.
The other one does not, in any way or form, put money into CCPs pocket this way.


So now I ask you: What's better?

One person who puts money into CCPs pocket ...
... or two persons putting money into CCPs pocket?


If your answer is anything but "two", please don't your time responding.


Uhm....3????



But Sol, you know better.



If Player A buys a PLEX from Player B so he can continue to play, this means that player B (who bought the PLEX from CCP) paid for Player A's account for 30 days.

He still has to pay for his own 30 days.

So, in both cases, CCP gets 2 x 30 days sub worth of ISK (Icelandic Krona) in their own bankaccount.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#19 - 2016-01-10 20:30:53 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:
Nexus Day wrote:
Constructive feedback: Restrict the forums to those that pay $$ for a sub.

OP, I'm sure you realise that someone bought the plex a player uses with RL monies from CCP, thereby putting money into CCP coffers same result as if they had bought that plex from CCP. Plex don't appear in the game out of nowhere, someone buys them from CCP. C'mon now...

Yes, Vortexo ... and now let's apply some logic.

The only one who puts actual money into CCPs pocket is the one who bought the PLEX with money.
The other one does not, in any way or form, put money into CCPs pocket this way.

Not exactly true.

When a player buys PLEX and sells it in-game, they are quite literally paying for another player's subscription in exchange for in-game currency.

This means that both players are effectively "paying" in a larger sense.


Here is a real life example:
Two people go out for dinner. One person pays for both of them. The other person (who didn't pay for the meal) can make up for this by providing something of similar value later on.
However, from the restaurant's perspective, both people have effectively paid. They don't care if the aforementioned people paid separately or one pays for themselves and the other. All that matters is that the money is in their pocket.


TwistedTwistedBlink

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Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#20 - 2016-01-10 20:32:19 UTC
DaReaper wrote:




except thats not how it works


Then please explain. Im all ears.
(grabs popcorn, paryt sub, and 30 pack for this one)
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