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Horsepower for multiboxing?

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Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2016-01-10 01:09:42 UTC
What kind of horsepower do I need for multiboxing. I have a Win XP box for 4G of memory and with a browser open, it can only run one instance of EVE.

I notice that guy in CODE seems to be running 12-15 accounts simultaneously. How could you do that? Multiple computers?
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#2 - 2016-01-10 01:25:38 UTC
Min settings for one.
Programs like ISBoxer also allow you to do things with your screen real estate so you aren't alt tabbing between your EVE instances which also helps.
Memphis Baas
#3 - 2016-01-10 01:38:58 UTC
Keep in mind that these rules have been in effect for over a year, and the advice that Google spits out may now result in a ban.

Otherwise, space nebula backgrounds and zoomed-out ships aren't as hard on the graphics cards as, say, first person faces and hair, wind-blown grass and trees, and realistic water effects. So a computer with 16-32 GB memory, a high end Core I7 processor, and two of the latest $600 graphics cards running in parallel can run quite a few instances of EVE. Or just have multiple computers, that works too.
Daemun Khanid
Corbeau de sang
#4 - 2016-01-10 01:54:54 UTC
On 3 screens running 2 clients (full screen and open), chrome w 4 open tabs, Eft, bandicam, teamspeak and steam my PC is currently using just under 5 gb of ram so memory isn't really an issue. I won't delve into how many you can run in the back ground manipulated by a program like ISBoxer because you're getting into UELA violation territory.

With every thing but Chrome closed down windows is still using about 3.3gb of ram and I see that I use 500mb of ram for each EvE client that I open.

How much power you need depends of course on just how many clients you want to run. I have no problem maintaining over 60fps at absolutely max settings and can easily hold up to 200 fps on 2 monitors with minor settings tweeks and very little visual downgrade. I think I could probably maintain at close to 60 fps on 4-6 clients without even having to make things look horrible.

Eve isn't extremely CPU dependant so your biggest factors would be 500mb of ram per client and a decent video card. I'm running a R9 390, an nvidea 980 would be pretty comparable. You could easiliy run 3-4 I think at modest settings on previous gen video cards. (R9 280's, nvidia 960-970) Slightly older cards could probably still handle 2-3 with the options turned down a bit.

With an older win XP box and that much ram your options are probably pretty limited. A higher end card (xp generation) could probably handle 2 clients at med settings but it might be just barely.

Daemun of Khanid

Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2016-01-10 02:15:23 UTC
Daemun Khanid wrote:
On 3 screens running 2 clients (full screen and open), chrome w 4 open tabs, Eft, bandicam, teamspeak and steam my PC is currently using just under 5 gb of ram so memory isn't really an issue. I won't delve into how many you can run in the back ground manipulated by a program like ISBoxer because you're getting into UELA violation territory.

With every thing but Chrome closed down windows is still using about 3.3gb of ram and I see that I use 500mb of ram for each EvE client that I open.

How much power you need depends of course on just how many clients you want to run. I have no problem maintaining over 60fps at absolutely max settings and can easily hold up to 200 fps on 2 monitors with minor settings tweeks and very little visual downgrade. I think I could probably maintain at close to 60 fps on 4-6 clients without even having to make things look horrible.

Eve isn't extremely CPU dependant so your biggest factors would be 500mb of ram per client and a decent video card. I'm running a R9 390, an nvidea 980 would be pretty comparable. You could easiliy run 3-4 I think at modest settings on previous gen video cards. (R9 280's, nvidia 960-970) Slightly older cards could probably still handle 2-3 with the options turned down a bit.

With an older win XP box and that much ram your options are probably pretty limited. A higher end card (xp generation) could probably handle 2 clients at med settings but it might be just barely.


Ok, then how are some people running 10 clients? Linux?
Memphis Baas
#6 - 2016-01-10 02:22:48 UTC
You'll have to ask them.
Daemun Khanid
Corbeau de sang
#7 - 2016-01-10 02:34:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Daemun Khanid
I said I could probably run 4-6. My system is FAR from maxed out. I could fit 3 R9 fury cards and double my ram from 16 to 32 gb. That would be plenty to run 10 clients, might even run 20. The most monitors though that a single card can push at 1920x1080 is 6 (4 display port and 2 legacy) A person might be able to run each video card independently and use up to 4 cards for a total of 24 monitors but I'm not sure, I haven't ran a multi-card setup since the 2003-2004. They may only function as sli/crossfire as far as I know so that might not even work. Of course if you're alt tabbing between clients it's not an issue but it is a heck of a pain in the bottom.

(Of course all of this is assuming you're asking about running multiple clients simultaneously full screen. Using isboxer and not having the graphical demands of tons of pixels on screen is a different ballgame and is the more likely method used by anyone running 10+ clients. Not saying that any use of ISBoxer is against EULA because I don't believe it is, so a single screen setup with numerous clients that stays within legal bounds is probably pretty common.)

Daemun of Khanid

Daemun Khanid
Corbeau de sang
#8 - 2016-01-10 02:54:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Daemun Khanid
Are you actually thinking of trying to run multiple accounts or are you just trying to convince yourself that a certain someone isn't cheating some how? Don't under estimate though the extent ppl will go to in extravagance. I've seen setups with multiple PC's on godawful numbers of monitors and keyboards and mice piled up all over the place. No idea how anyone can actually enjoy something like that but I'm sure when they know what they are doing it can be an bottomless pit of isk.

Example
Notice that 6 of those monitors are running 2 clients each. (isboxer I assume)

ISBoxer #2
Looks like this guys is running 8+ clients on a single screen. As long as the resolution isn't increasing (ie using isboxer to put multiple on one screen) it's just a matter of how much ram you have to load clients and a half decent cpu to keep up

Final Example
Video of tons of clients on a single screen.

Daemun of Khanid

Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2016-01-10 03:57:46 UTC
Quote:
What kind of horsepower do I need for multiboxing. I have a Win XP box for 4G of memory and with a browser open, it can only run one instance of EVE.


Windows XP ? how about a computer that was made within the last 10 years? that should do the trick.
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2016-01-10 04:02:27 UTC
Quote:
What kind of horsepower do I need for multiboxing. I have a Win XP box for 4G of memory and with a browser open, it can only run one instance of EVE.


Windows XP ? how about a computer that was made within the last 10 years? that should do the trick.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#11 - 2016-01-10 04:24:10 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Gilbaron wrote:
Quote:
What kind of horsepower do I need for multiboxing. I have a Win XP box for 4G of memory and with a browser open, it can only run one instance of EVE.


Windows XP ? how about a computer that was made within the last 10 years? that should do the trick.

I stopped reading there too.

OP... upgrade. Now.
Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2016-01-10 05:18:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Kinete Jenius
Droidster wrote:
What kind of horsepower do I need for multiboxing. I have a Win XP box for 4G of memory and with a browser open, it can only run one instance of EVE.

I notice that guy in CODE seems to be running 12-15 accounts simultaneously. How could you do that? Multiple computers?

I can run 12 clients on my primary machine with stuff on low. I usually only run 10. All systems are windows 7 pro 64 bit based.

FX6300 at 4 ghz 16 GB ddr3 and a gtx 660 with a set of conventional 7200 rpm blue/black drives. I get a bit of lag when undocking all 10 at the same time but a SSD would fix that easily. Runs on two monitors one is 1920x1200 and the other is 1920x1080.

My e7200 system (3.168 ghz) with 8 GB of ram and a 5770 can run 10 clients on low fairly well (with isboxer providing CPU and FPS management). It has issues with undocking due to the lack of cores and no SSD. The blue drive in this system is about as fast as the black in my primary. Runs on one monitor at 1680x1050. Bought the monitor for 20 bucks at a pawn shop a few years ago so it's an old one.




32 bit XP is limited to under 4 GB of usable memory (vram and system ram) so that's going to restrict your ability to box.

Even 64 bit XP is less than an ideal choice compared to the newer OSes (win7 and post). XP lacks a lot of optimizations that allow the newer OSes to box better. Not to mention the lack of DX 11 and such.





When I gank I run them on my main computer with eve in windowed mode. I don't even use a window management utility. I've been running VGs since jan 1st with eve in windowed mode. WHs pvp etc are done in windowed mode.




EDIT : This link is of a system that is against the EULA. The usage of wooden dowels and tape to create a poor man's repeater is a bannable offense post jan 1st.

Example

Here's a link to the dude's blog where he explained his setup farther.

https://sites.google.com/site/khromtor/home





Here's a video that shows all the screens I'm looking at. This is with an old fleet setup AND old window setup. Stuff looks different now and are more efficient but this gives you can idea. Top screen is the secondary machine the bottom two are the primary computer. I run the booster the ore/hack/scout and one nestor on the secondary machine in this video. Currently I run the secondary nestor on the primary machine to speed up responses. OBS does awful things to my machines so the FPS is much lower than normal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ4LByLY5T4
Daemun Khanid
Corbeau de sang
#13 - 2016-01-10 08:18:51 UTC
That dude has some serious issues... I just don't even... Grams Social security to buy his pc's and threatening her with child services over hot pockets that were too hot?

It's like some twisted south park episode. Does she come in and empty a bed pan beneath his chair as well? Ugh

Is this the guy?

Daemun of Khanid

Mr Mac
Dark Goliath
#14 - 2016-01-10 11:31:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Mac
Have you try EVE-O preview?

EDIT: Nevermind. The preview will not work on XP.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#15 - 2016-01-10 11:58:30 UTC
Droidster wrote:

Ok, then how are some people running 10 clients? Linux?

with difficulty , and a beastly modern pc.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2016-01-10 12:02:42 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Droidster wrote:
What kind of horsepower do I need for multiboxing. I have a Win XP box for 4G of memory and with a browser open, it can only run one instance of EVE.

I notice that guy in CODE seems to be running 12-15 accounts simultaneously. How could you do that? Multiple computers?


Really, why still use XP, specially now that you can have WinX upgrade for free and XP is now longer supported

Seriously, you should have already upgraded about a decade ago...nuff said.


p.s. I have an old PC, running Windows 3.11, any chance I can multibox on that one. It has 1024 mb RAM if that mattersP




That is one outdated system you use.
To get a perspective, my W7 laptop that is 4 years old can "run" 3 clients, if they are all on minimum settings and I don't stress them too much (so no Jita runs etc).

On similar aged PC, I could run 8 accounts using same settings (better GPU and twice the RAM being the main cause).

So 12-15 accounts isn't all that fancy, specially if you use an up to date rig, specially if it is one that was set up for gaming in the first place.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#17 - 2016-01-10 12:07:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Droidster wrote:
What kind of horsepower do I need for multiboxing. I have a Win XP box for 4G of memory and with a browser open, it can only run one instance of EVE.

I notice that guy in CODE seems to be running 12-15 accounts simultaneously. How could you do that? Multiple computers?


hahaha, i didn't realise consoles could dl eve Big smile

Edit: sorry mate, couldn't resist

J'Poll wrote:

So 12-15 accounts isn't all that fancy, specially if you use an up to date rig, specially if it is one that was set up for gaming in the first place.

one of my friends runs an 18 man mining op all by himself, if he hits icefields he can clear 1 bill a day.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#18 - 2016-01-10 14:22:57 UTC
A computer from this decade would help

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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Leeluvv
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2016-01-10 15:55:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Leeluvv
Droidster wrote:
What kind of horsepower do I need for multiboxing. I have a Win XP box for 4G of memory and with a browser open, it can only run one instance of EVE.

I notice that guy in CODE seems to be running 12-15 accounts simultaneously. How could you do that? Multiple computers?



You don't have 4GB of usable memory. 32 bit XP assigns 2GB to applications and 1.5GB to Windows, of which Windows won't use anywhere near that much. i.e. You have 2GB for any non-Windows applications.

For dual boxing, I reccomend not running multiple copies of Eve from the same installation folder. To do this you need to make a symbolic link with mklink for each additional copy of Eve you want to run. Windows now lies to itself, pretending it has extra copies of Eve in different folders, whereas it is actually reading the information from the original location. This way also allows you to assign different quality settings to each copy. I run my main account at full details and the others at low settings.

The way to use mklink is as follows:

Open command prompt, preferably as admin.
Go to the Folder Eve is installed in.
Type the following for each copy you want:

mklink /D New_Eve_Folder_Name Current_Eve_Folder_Name

For me, I was in D:\Games and used 'mklink /D Eve2 Eve'. So I now have D:\Games\Eve and D:\Games\Eve2. Create a shortcut to Eve.exe from the new Eve location and you're good to go. You can now have 2 Eve launchers simultaneously. This also means that when you patch the original version, all versions are patched.

Each copy of Eve will use 600-750 MB of RAM and 300MB of Video RAM.
Amarrchecko
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2016-01-10 16:01:04 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
[quote=Droidster]
[quote=J'Poll]
one of my friends runs an 18 man mining op all by himself, if he hits icefields he can clear 1 bill a day.


You should be able to make a billion in an HOUR of mining with 18 accounts.
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