Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Can we please remove bounties until such time as they become actually meaningful?

Player bounties have gone from being just plain dumb to full rtard.

Obviously, there are ways to improve the feature, for example making it [ship value + destroyed cargo/modules + destroyed implants - insurance] (20% what genius thought that up?) or making bounties that apply across every player in a corp, etc.

In any case, regardless of what improvements may come down the pike, I suggest removing the current embarrassment until those arrive. It's like that "Station is being decontaminated" thing.

I might add that the whole mess is very confusing to new players to whom bounties are scary and therefore puts all the existing players in the position of having to constantly explain to new players why they are meaningless. After which explanation the new player is usually STILL confused. Just get rid of it for god's sake.

If you weren't an obvious forum alt, I'd be placing one too.

Do you have a reason for the removal of bounties beyond 'they're scurry!!!1', or are you just posting a thinly veiled rant thread over receiving one?

So, based on this, you do actually care a modicum about the bounties on you?

Elaborate. How is it meaningless or confusing?

I also dabble in markets and industry. Being in an NPC corp makes you immune to wardecs, so I can't hurt you without suicide ganking, why should I not be able to whack enough of a price on your head that someone else quite happily takes the sec status hit for killing you? (Repeatedly, until you're driven out of whatever market we happen to be fighting over in this scenario)

(Standings mean nothing, and you have no killboard history beyond a badly fit tengu and some terminally stupid haulers. How, exactly, does that prove you aren't a forum alt?)

That is pretty funny a goon calling me an alt. I thought goon was dead? I remember when I introduced some new players to EVE a few years ago and they were all excited, "Oh, hey, we just made a corp and joined an alliance called "goonswarm"". They were flying around in gangs of Rifters like dogs chasing cars. It was pretty funny. Now the goons are all growed up and calling me an alt. I was playing 8 years before your little Rifter-gang alliance even existed.

As far as that Tengu is concerned, I don't normally fly it, I was just fooling around with it to try out hacking/relic sites to see how they worked and I picked a Tengu because it has a lot of slots and a bonus to scanning. I know you are a goon, so I will try to explain using small words and easy-to-understand vocabulary: usually forum alts do not fly Tengus loaded with T2 modules and have standings with 40 different mission agents.

If you hate the bounty system now, then you should've played when it was actually meaningless before Crimewatch was updated. Placing a bounty on somebody was effectively paying them for whatever they did to **** you off in the first place.

As-is, the bounty system isn't a bad thing. It's calibrated so Mr. Terrible Person can't cash out on his own bounty for a net gain by voluntarily losing insured ships, but it's also enough to encourage some people to go after him if the bounty is high enough and he's flying something shiny enough.

If anything about the whole thing could benefit from a little tweak, I'd say don't have 'wanted' status marked on people for minor troll-level bounties. Make it hit some minimum threshold of, i don't know, $100 million or something before that part kicks in. Pick a number. You get the idea.

No you really couldn't.

I don't mind bounties but would like to see them become more viable. I would really like for bounty hunting to become a viable career option for instance. Until then I don't really see any problem besides the red 'wanted' sign, which you get used to pretty quickly.

I've found that new players don't generally need an explanation of bounty mechanics (or lack thereof) to know that bounties won't affect a new player.

So what would it take to make sure that a bounty system was meaningful?
I'm guessing meaningful means that other people want to kill you real bad for that bounty.

You need to stop people claiming that money for themself.
That is hard in a game where there are people actively playing to exploit every advantage.

You need a system that prevents the person with the bounty or their friends from gaining the money.
Since people have alts and friends, plus are immortal this is a huge challenge.

Bounties was something we invented in real life for the purpose of killing or incarserating dangerous criminals.
If bounties should have a meaning, the char needed to die or go to jail for their crimes.

Dying is sort of out of the question here, imagine losing your XXX skillpoint char because someone bountied you.
Jail might work, something like a timer on the character with some kind of limitation.
Being confined to the nearest NPC station for whatever amount the bounty paid for.
100K isk - 5 min?
1mill isk - 50 min
10 mill isk - 8,3 hours
100 mil isk - 3,5 days
1 bill isk - 1 month

Of course this is rife with abuse too, might need to bring in some sec level modifier.
You a good person you get a sec level pardon.
What the level should be and how to balance it I dunno,
but being blown up for your bounty should hurt more than just the ship to discourage abuse.

Boy, that suggestion really scared the sh;t out of you, huh? Lose skillpoints because somebody put a bounty on you. Now, that would make it meaningful, wouldn't it?