Player Features and Ideas Discussion

There are a couple of issues with the market ui.

1) It keeps jumping to a different item/section. I will be in one detail section and place an order then it jumps to a different section of items.

2) I will click on an item on the left part of the screen but it won't go to that item on the right. I place a buy order not realizing that it is for the wrong item.

3) Sometimes when you put the cursor and hit a back space once it will just delete one cent. Other times it deletes the whole thing. It shoudl be consistent. I just sold 8 items that cost about 80 mill for 8 isk because I thought I was just changing the hundreds place but it replaced the whole amount.

4)These regional averages are worthless unless you are in the forge. They make all the warnings worthless. I am not sure what to do here but the current situation is bad.

5) The warnings should be customizable. Right now they are worthless and I find I click through them too fast. We should get a very clear warning if we are selling something for less then the highest buy order.

6) we should have the commas (seperating thousands place) all the time.

7) it should always indicate whether the number you are entering is the quantity or the price.

8) Allow a larger font for the market.
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9) Ideally we could press a button to set the price at one isk less than the current station low. Squinting at all these numbers that aren't seperated by commas when you are entering them is a real pain.

10)If you mistype and set a price to low the sell order should default to the highest buy order in station. And if you misclick on the buy order it should default to the lowest sell order in station.

2. I didn't place the order in less than a one second tick. It never switched to the item I clicked.
3. I suppose we can just disagree. I think it should act the same way every time. And if it is not going to act the same way it shouldn't give you a warning if your sell price is less than the highest buy order. Continuing to take longer and making change orders even more tedious is IMO not a good answer. The market should be about intelligent trades who has more time to work with a bad interface. I think that is theme of our difference of opinion.
4) Regional averages are pointless in most regions. So the warnings should not be linked to them. Let us customize what the warnings are linked to. For example warning that you are selling for less than the buy order. Or that you are selling an item less than your own preset amount you set. Right now the warnings are so worthless if I read everyone I would not be able to do anything else with my life. So I just click through them.

And I don't think its just one isk buy orders. It seems if an item hasn't sold in a region in a while they make it say the item has a 0 isk average. Which is simply false information.

5) Again I think trying to predict the market is fun. I don't think working with a tedious interface is fun. That is essentially where we part ways.

6) You are not making any sense. Why should I have to design some spreadsheet to do this before ccp adds it into their program? I have entered numbers in plenty of programs that add the commas as I type.

7) No it doesn't. Right click on a pile of ammo and click sell. the screen that pops up does not indicate which box is the price and wich is the quantities.

9) ? Of course all the players would get this button not just me. So I wouldn't one up anyone. It would howver help even the score against botters though. You know people like the guy from eve uni who had a program update his sell orders perfectly without having to deal with 11 digit numbers in small font that are not even seperated by commas.

Again the question is whether being good at trading should be based on working a clunky interface or whether it should be based on making intelligent choices in the market. I would like it to be the latter. But after a few times of losing lots of my profits due to the clunky interface I tend think heck with this tedious crap.

There is no way I can tell if someone is a bot. Yet it is clear ccp has caught people cheating. It is unclear that botters prefer main hubs. I would think they could operate anywhere.


And helping people deal with botters does not make them bots. It is the opposite. It takes out the mindless bot work and leaves the high level enjoyable game play. It likely would also cut into the profits of those who cheat.


These changes would not only help with botting but it would make the game more enjoyable. Or do you like constantly squinting at the screen and recounting how many digits you typed for each order? Or having to do an extra click everytime you modify an order so you get the commas? I don't think I am alone when I say that is not great fun.

I know how to do it. But there is a good reason people use commas to divide large numbers.

You really seem to be against having the ui be clearly understandable without somewhat clunky work arounds.

Again the problem is that there are programs out there that will do all this tedius work for players and do it perfectly every time. But they are often of questionable legality under the eula. So why should ccp continue to give such a large advantage to those who are arguably cheating, by using those programs?

CCP should consider the traders who are trying to play their game within the rules. That means they are trying to enter this by hand. Betting on the market and trading can be fun, but counting tiny zeros without any commas to help is not fun at all. All of the other changes I propose also just increase the fun of trading by making it less tedious. Of course those who cheat with programs will be against these changes as it will diminish their advantage.

As I can read and double check that my prices are correct before buying or selling, I have never had any of the problems that you mentioned.