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Chaotix Morwen
Church Of BDSM
#1 - 2016-01-07 01:30:21 UTC
Heya all

I asked some of my buddies the below question and we couldn't come to a consensus, so I beg the assistance of the general discussion crowd to share their wisdom:

If a command ship fitted with active links goes out to fight by itself with no backup, with only a pilot in a pod in a POS in fleet to allow the links to affect the command ship, does it count as solo or not?
Paranoid Loyd
#2 - 2016-01-07 01:33:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Is there more than one account involved?

Yes = Not solo
No = Solo

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#3 - 2016-01-07 01:41:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
There will be no consensus.

Are you solo if you have a links alt, a falcon alt or a logi alt?

If you answer yes to that, then you probably think it is solo.

If you think no, then why it is different if it's a pod alt to gain a benefit?
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#4 - 2016-01-07 02:45:47 UTC
You're still boosting, you're just doing it badly.
Yourmoney Mywallet
Doomheim
#5 - 2016-01-07 03:12:49 UTC
Yes. No. Maybe.



But really? No.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2016-01-07 04:32:37 UTC
Eh, I could anything that involves 1 active player as solo, regardless of the number of accounts used.
Many people frequently scan on 1 account while having a combat ship ready to go on another. Sure, it's 2 accounts but it's still solo.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2016-01-07 04:41:05 UTC
This is not a link question but a "solo" bragging right question.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2016-01-07 04:42:14 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Eh, I could anything that involves 1 active player as solo, regardless of the number of accounts used.
Many people frequently scan on 1 account while having a combat ship ready to go on another. Sure, it's 2 accounts but it's still solo.


So isbox bombing runs were solo PvP back when you could broadcast inputs?
Solecist Project
#9 - 2016-01-07 07:49:33 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Eh, I could anything that involves 1 active player as solo, regardless of the number of accounts used.
Many people frequently scan on 1 account while having a combat ship ready to go on another. Sure, it's 2 accounts but it's still solo.

No, it's not.

More than one pilot = not solo.

That's true also when you're one of those losers who has links and logi alts following you.
No matter how much you declare you were solo, you'd still be a toothless baby without the ingame support.

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Ibutho Inkosi
Doomheim
#10 - 2016-01-07 08:05:15 UTC
Toothless baby. I like that.

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Xair Nuitarius
BAND of MAGNUS
#11 - 2016-01-07 09:14:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Xair Nuitarius
You can read lot of forums and there is two camps


  • Is it one human that handles all acounts? Yes, it's solo
  • Is it more than one acount involved? Yes, it's not solo.


What is truth, is your choice ;)
Ibutho Inkosi
Doomheim
#12 - 2016-01-07 15:28:40 UTC
Xair Nuitarius wrote:
You can read lot of forums and there is two camps


  • Is it one human that handles all acounts? Yes, it's solo
  • Is it more than one acount involved? Yes, it's not solo.


What is truth, is your choice ;)
Until now, I had not much to say on the matter. However, certain fundamental facts of reality cannot, and should not be denied, ignored or otherwise brushed aside. If it's ONE ship, it's solo. If it's MORE than ONE ship, it's not. The point is debatable only to someone trying to claim using two or more ships is just like using one.

The reasoning behind this is the intended design limitations of ships. They are designed for a specific amount of gunnery. If even one person on multiple accounts can bring more to bear, it can only be done with an additional ship - therefore outside the intended design limitation. One cannot juke ones way past the fact this was done by monkeying with words. Sorry. Facts are stubborn things.

I could go through the litany...support capability / dps capability ....the ships are intended and designed so as not to be uber, all-in-one machines. With a strength, you get accompanying weakness. The only way to skirt this is multiple ships...not solo.

Sorry...sorta.

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Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
#13 - 2016-01-07 15:41:19 UTC
solo = one account, no fleet.

If you're scanning with one account, boosting with another, and fighting with a third, that's the opposite of solo.

Similar for PvE, the dude claiming to make 100 mil/hr but is running three accounts to do it is only making 33mil/hr
Ginnie
Doomheim
#14 - 2016-01-07 16:12:54 UTC
This is an interesting conversation and reminds me why I hate those posts about ISK per hour running missions as Isaac Armer states.

Most of those people run the missions by "themselves", but use three separate accounts. Therefore, each mission is completed with a fleet of three characters. The header looks like they are making tons of ISK per hour, but if you divide it by the number of characters its really not that impressive.

If there is more than one character, doesn't matter how many actual players there are, then its not solo.

It sounds plausible enough tonight, but wait until tomorrow. Wait for the common sense of the morning.
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#15 - 2016-01-07 16:36:04 UTC
Ibutho Inkosi wrote:
Xair Nuitarius wrote:
You can read lot of forums and there is two camps


  • Is it one human that handles all acounts? Yes, it's solo
  • Is it more than one acount involved? Yes, it's not solo.


What is truth, is your choice ;)
Until now, I had not much to say on the matter. However, certain fundamental facts of reality cannot, and should not be denied, ignored or otherwise brushed aside. If it's ONE ship, it's solo. If it's MORE than ONE ship, it's not. The point is debatable only to someone trying to claim using two or more ships is just like using one.

The reasoning behind this is the intended design limitations of ships. They are designed for a specific amount of gunnery. If even one person on multiple accounts can bring more to bear, it can only be done with an additional ship - therefore outside the intended design limitation. One cannot juke ones way past the fact this was done by monkeying with words. Sorry. Facts are stubborn things.

I could go through the litany...support capability / dps capability ....the ships are intended and designed so as not to be uber, all-in-one machines. With a strength, you get accompanying weakness. The only way to skirt this is multiple ships...not solo.

Sorry...sorta.


So I trap my opponent in a large anchored bubble. We fight and he burns out his prop but kills my ship. I warp back to a nearby POS where I have a 2nd ship waiting in space. I board the ship and make it back to my opponent before he gets out of the bubble to warp or jump through the gate and manage to kill him, but that isn't a solo kill? Improbable but not impossible. So would it be a solo kill?

Or... Some one attacks my POS. I pop them using the POS guns. It is my POS in a corp with only myself as a member. I wasn't even in a ship, just a pod at the POS. Is that a solo kill?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2016-01-07 18:27:40 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:


So I trap my opponent in a large anchored bubble. We fight and he burns out his prop but kills my ship. I warp back to a nearby POS where I have a 2nd ship waiting in space. I board the ship and make it back to my opponent before he gets out of the bubble to warp or jump through the gate and manage to kill him, but that isn't a solo kill? Improbable but not impossible. So would it be a solo kill?

Or... Some one attacks my POS. I pop them using the POS guns. It is my POS in a corp with only myself as a member. I wasn't even in a ship, just a pod at the POS. Is that a solo kill?


I would personally call your first example a 2 engagement scenario where you did solo combat in both so your kill would be solo. But wtf do I know...
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#17 - 2016-01-07 18:47:33 UTC
Logi or links don't show on killmails yet so there's still far more "solo" kills than there should be.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

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Memphis Baas
#18 - 2016-01-07 19:16:35 UTC
Ibutho Inkosi wrote:
If it's ONE ship, it's solo. If it's MORE than ONE ship, it's not.
So, to continue the argument (and not really clarify it), is a pod a ship or is a pod a pod (not ship)? Remember, the scenario is 1 ship + 1 pod.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#19 - 2016-01-07 21:34:57 UTC
Are we talking about golf or Zelda?

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Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#20 - 2016-01-07 23:23:06 UTC
It depends if you're using the "one player" definition or the "one character" definition.
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