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Wormik
The Northerners
Fraternity.
#1 - 2016-01-06 09:00:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Wormik
I have atm Amd 8320 8core , gtx 970 and some crappy motherboard wich keeps overheating with heavyer load. Getting about 30fps in bigger fleetfights. Will switching to a i7 and new mobo boost my fps ? And wich processor and mobo would be the best for around 600-700 eur to spend ?
Solecist Project
#2 - 2016-01-06 09:03:33 UTC
Install an SSD. The difference is insane.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Wormik
The Northerners
Fraternity.
#3 - 2016-01-06 09:06:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Wormik
Solecist Project wrote:
Install an SSD. The difference is insane.


Running eve off an ssd already. I was thinking i7 6700k it shud have rater good single core performance.
Solecist Project
#4 - 2016-01-06 09:18:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Wormik wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Install an SSD. The difference is insane.


Running eve off an ssd already

Then go for better graphics. nvidia. Though in fleetfights,
what use is it, as you should be mostly playing zoomed out.

You can either lower your gfx settings and save money ...
... or you can throw away a lot of money for something avoidable.


Of course is it your money, though. There's some threads out there already about upgrading,
you can go check out OOPE for one and there's one about laptops in GD as well.

Notebook GPUs work for orientation, just read up on what matters.


I'm kind of puzzled how a simple google can't answer your question within two minutes.

For example would you have found that higher single-core performance won't help your case at all.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Lan Wang
African Atomic.
OnlyFleets.
#5 - 2016-01-06 09:46:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
Solecist Project wrote:
Wormik wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Install an SSD. The difference is insane.


Running eve off an ssd already

Then go for better graphics. nvidia. Though in fleetfights,
what use is it, as you should be mostly playing zoomed out.

You can either lower your gfx settings and save money ...
... or you can throw away a lot of money for something avoidable.


Of course is it your money, though. There's some threads out there already about upgrading,
you can go check out OOPE for one and there's one about laptops in GD as well.

Notebook GPUs work for orientation, just read up on what matters.


I'm kind of puzzled how a simple google can't answer your question within two minutes.

For example would you have found that higher single-core performance won't help your case at all.


GTX 970 should have no issues, the bottleneck isnt the gpu, upgrade your motherboard, if your overheating then that my explain the slow performance

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Solecist Project
#6 - 2016-01-06 09:59:01 UTC
True. I for some reason ignored that line.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Nuka-Cola Addict
Grognak Mining and Logistics
#7 - 2016-01-06 10:32:51 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:


GTX 970 should have no issues, the bottleneck isnt the gpu, upgrade your motherboard, if your overheating then that my explain the slow performance


Agreed. I have a GTX 960 and have no issues running this game on max settings @ 1080p. I don't even have a SSD. OP, also consider seeing why it's overheating in the first place - poor air circulation, dust on fans/heatsink, etc. Your CPU is fine and isn't bottlenecking the 970 so there's no need to replace it unless you just want to.
Wormik
The Northerners
Fraternity.
#8 - 2016-01-06 10:39:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Wormik
Nuka-Cola Addict wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:


GTX 970 should have no issues, the bottleneck isnt the gpu, upgrade your motherboard, if your overheating then that my explain the slow performance


Agreed. I have a GTX 960 and have no issues running this game on max settings @ 1080p. I don't even have a SSD. OP, also consider seeing why it's overheating in the first place - poor air circulation, dust on fans/heatsink, etc. Your CPU is fine and isn't bottlenecking the 970 so there's no need to replace it unless you just want to.


MSI 970A-G46 i have this motherboard and on higher load for example multiple eve clients on max settings or higher end games. Temp measuring software shows my MOtherboard overheating wich ends up with either pc restarting or some drivers crashing. Motherboard is clean and it didnt have that probleem when i first bought it. I even had to downgrade my CPU clock a bit to make the MB not heat up so much.
Lan Wang
African Atomic.
OnlyFleets.
#9 - 2016-01-06 11:03:19 UTC
Wormik wrote:
Nuka-Cola Addict wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:


GTX 970 should have no issues, the bottleneck isnt the gpu, upgrade your motherboard, if your overheating then that my explain the slow performance


Agreed. I have a GTX 960 and have no issues running this game on max settings @ 1080p. I don't even have a SSD. OP, also consider seeing why it's overheating in the first place - poor air circulation, dust on fans/heatsink, etc. Your CPU is fine and isn't bottlenecking the 970 so there's no need to replace it unless you just want to.


MSI 970A-G46 i have this motherboard and on higher load for example multiple eve clients on max settings or higher end games. Temp measuring software shows my MOtherboard overheating wich ends up with either pc restarting or some drivers crashing. Motherboard is clean and it didnt have that probleem when i first bought it. I even had to downgrade my CPU clock a bit to make the MB not heat up so much.


http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-2159362/msi-970a-g46-work-amd-8320-straight-box.html

For your FX6300 that is other story, the fx6300 has TDP 95W, but fx8320 has 125W, and that will make big different on the MSI 970A-G46.
The MSI 970A-G46 has only 4+1 power phase, that is not good for the fx8 series cpu, I add other link you will see what happens.

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Wormik
The Northerners
Fraternity.
#10 - 2016-01-06 11:11:03 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Wormik wrote:
Nuka-Cola Addict wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:


GTX 970 should have no issues, the bottleneck isnt the gpu, upgrade your motherboard, if your overheating then that my explain the slow performance


Agreed. I have a GTX 960 and have no issues running this game on max settings @ 1080p. I don't even have a SSD. OP, also consider seeing why it's overheating in the first place - poor air circulation, dust on fans/heatsink, etc. Your CPU is fine and isn't bottlenecking the 970 so there's no need to replace it unless you just want to.


MSI 970A-G46 i have this motherboard and on higher load for example multiple eve clients on max settings or higher end games. Temp measuring software shows my MOtherboard overheating wich ends up with either pc restarting or some drivers crashing. Motherboard is clean and it didnt have that probleem when i first bought it. I even had to downgrade my CPU clock a bit to make the MB not heat up so much.


http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-2159362/msi-970a-g46-work-amd-8320-straight-box.html

For your FX6300 that is other story, the fx6300 has TDP 95W, but fx8320 has 125W, and that will make big different on the MSI 970A-G46.
The MSI 970A-G46 has only 4+1 power phase, that is not good for the fx8 series cpu, I add other link you will see what happens.


would this Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P V2.0 be a good MB for my cpu , and let me even OC a little if i wanted? or atleast run it on turbo mode.
Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#11 - 2016-01-06 11:16:56 UTC
You could get a couple of those heatsinks usually meant for video memory and put those on your VRMs. That should buy you a few degrees.

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Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
#12 - 2016-01-06 12:02:16 UTC
Never cheap out on the mobo!
Leeluvv
United Caldari Navy
United Caldari Space Command.
#13 - 2016-01-06 19:11:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Leeluvv
The Eve install is 300Mb. An SSD will speed up the initial loading, after which it has no effect whatsoever, as the entire game is already in RAM.

Eve uses 600MB of normal memory, so high amounts of RAM provide no benefit.

Eve uses 300 MB of Video RAM, so a large amount of video RAM also serves no purpose.The graphics demand of Eve is actually very low, as space is black, unlike grass, trees and rivers, so all a new generation of GPU will offer is some effects you may not have noticed.

Hyper threading has no effect on most games at this time, in fact it can slow some games down (see Bioshock), so an i7 has no benefit over an equal speed i5.

AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL:

The Eve server has a 1 second cycle time, so your FPS is almost irrelevant.

https://www.themittani.com/features/understanding-eve-online-server-tick

You say your motherboard overheats. Can you explain how you know this.
Solecist Project
#14 - 2016-01-06 19:24:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
If you declare the SSD doesn't make a difference during gameplay ...
... like, while undocking ...
... then you never played this game.

Please ignore the above poster. Besides the above nonsense and pulling numbers out of her butt ...

Someone who declares that an i5 and i7 of equal frequency show no difference ...
... is either clueless or intentionally trolling.


She doesn't even know the questionmark...

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#15 - 2016-01-06 19:35:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Wormik wrote:
I have atm Amd 8320 8core , gtx 970 and some crappy motherboard wich keeps overheating with heavyer load. Getting about 30fps in bigger fleetfights. Will switching to a i7 and new mobo boost my fps ? And wich processor and mobo would be the best for around 600-700 eur to spend ?


Buy a liquid CPU cooler if you are overheating. No heat and no noise FTW. Many MB temp sensors are mounted beneath the CPU, and stock coolers generally suck.

You can even re-use the cooler when you get new kit.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Lan Wang
African Atomic.
OnlyFleets.
#16 - 2016-01-06 19:36:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
Solecist Project wrote:
If you declare the SSD doesn't make a difference during gameplay ...
... like, while undocking ...
... then you never played this game.

Please ignore the above poster. Besides the above nonsense and pulling numbers out of her butt ...

Someone who declares that an i5 and i7 of equal frequency make no difference ...
... is either clueless or intentionally trolling.


generally an i7 has hyperthreading which is commonly whats needed for multitasking and more used for creative stuff, they say an i5 is sufficient enough for gaming but i would rather have an i7 over an i5 regardless of what im doing.

however an ssd reads from the shared cache faster so i dont see how an ssd would not benefit the game.

benchmarks of an i5 over an i7

http://www.ocaholic.ch/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=1061

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Leeluvv
United Caldari Navy
United Caldari Space Command.
#17 - 2016-01-06 19:51:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Leeluvv
Lan Wang wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
If you declare the SSD doesn't make a difference during gameplay ...
... like, while undocking ...
... then you never played this game.

Please ignore the above poster. Besides the above nonsense and pulling numbers out of her butt ...

Someone who declares that an i5 and i7 of equal frequency make no difference ...
... is either clueless or intentionally trolling.


generally an i7 has hyperthreading which is commonly whats needed for multitasking and more used for creative stuff, they say an i5 is sufficient enough for gaming but i would rather have an i7 over an i5 regardless of what im doing.

however an ssd reads from the shared cache faster so i dont see how an ssd would not benefit the game


Hyperthreading doesn't give you an additional core, it pretends your single core is 2. If you're game is maxxing out your current cores, hyperthreading will give no improvement and may even make the game worse, as it is now trying to run 2 threads on a core, which was already maxxed out with 1 thread.

The numbers aren't pulled out of my butt, they are correct and were measured from running 4 copies of Eve simultaneously on my i5 PC, but, hey, this is the internet and you can post whatever you want, without any reason or evidence justifying your statement.
Leeluvv
United Caldari Navy
United Caldari Space Command.
#18 - 2016-01-06 19:58:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Leeluvv
http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/gaming-benchmarks-core-i7-3770-hyperthreading-test-20-games-tested.216466/

"Hyper threading (HT) does not improve any notable performance in gaming on smooth gaming settings, despite scoring barely higher maximum frame rates in some games. In fact, HT decreases minimal frame rates by a smal margin in these games: Crysis 3, Metro Last Light Redux, Hard Reset " <= Because the additional overhead of managing 2 threads on a core that is already maxxed out with 1 thread takes CPU effort.
Solecist Project
#19 - 2016-01-06 19:59:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
When you run several copies simultanously ...
... you noticed that each copy uses less ram ...
... because they all share quite a lot of it.

My single client uses more than 600MB as well...

Your statement about RAM consumption is as invalid as the statement about EVE being fully loaded into RAM and it making no difference after initial loading. I also don't believe the vram numbers at all, but at this point it's pointless to go on.

And I don't see the point of continuously mentioning HT ...

Thanks anyway, I guess.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Leeluvv
United Caldari Navy
United Caldari Space Command.
#20 - 2016-01-06 20:03:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Leeluvv
Solecist Project wrote:
When you run several copies simultanously ...
... you noticed that each copy uses less ram ...
... because they all share quite a lot of it.

My single client uses more than 600MB as well...

Your statement about RAM consumption is as invalid as the statement about EVE being fully loaded into RAM and it making no difference after initial loading. I also don't believe the vram numbers at all, but at this point it's pointless to go on.


Thanks anyway, I guess.


I run separate instances of Eve (using mklink to create symbolic links of the Eve folder), so they run as separate applications and share no resources, but you're right, the actual RAM was 600MB to 750MB and the game is 319MB.
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