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Bounty Abuse in new players

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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#21 - 2016-01-02 04:28:13 UTC
Would you like me to give you a bounty?

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

Soloman Jackson
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2016-01-02 04:48:19 UTC
Iria Ahrens wrote:
Would you like me to give you a bounty?


Hahahaha! No, I wanna earn it at least. Maybe collect a few tears in the process. Twisted

“The cold stars spun to the ancient rhythm, the august march of an everlasting symphony. They are old, the stars, and their memory is long.” -Rick Yancey

Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#23 - 2016-01-02 05:29:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Iria Ahrens
You can join one of the blockades that have been pwning me today. Been through hundreds of blockades with no problems then and suddenly can't get past one today. The last one was clearly lag though, so I wonder if some of the others might be too.

I was 4 jumps from home too. Man, meaningful losses = meaningful rewards indeed. But still sucks when you lose. That load was supposed to outfit at least a six ship stable. Now I'm back spinning in amarr.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

Soloman Jackson
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2016-01-02 05:55:18 UTC
I bought 12 Kestrels, fully fit them and have them sitting one jump outside of low sec. Maybe in the process of losing those I can get a bounty. One can only hope. :)

“The cold stars spun to the ancient rhythm, the august march of an everlasting symphony. They are old, the stars, and their memory is long.” -Rick Yancey

Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#25 - 2016-01-02 11:02:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Yang Aurilen
Sindy Maya wrote:
Many players are abusing the application of bounty, especially with new players, where they apply heavy bounties in your char. Where you do not need to talk, just the fact that you join in the channel they already applying some bounties.


>>>What to do in such cases and with these players? What?


You newbies are lucky you guys get to keep your wanted sign on your face. I never manage to keep my bounties on me when I'm active since I tend to lose ships in the process of playing EVE as it's meant to be. Heck the 20 million bounty I got from a miner we ganked in lowsec disappeared 20 minutes later in the form of a BC lossmail and some assorted frigs.

Then again I'm inactive as hell on EVE atm so please dump 100 mil bounties on me to motivate me to play again.Sad

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!

Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#26 - 2016-01-02 16:30:18 UTC
Soloman Jackson wrote:
I bought 12 Kestrels, fully fit them and have them sitting one jump outside of low sec. Maybe in the process of losing those I can get a bounty. One can only hope. :)


Milk those tears. It's all about player interaction. Right before you blow up their ship, offer some ridiculous ransom. Or after you blow up the ship point the pod, and spend a few minutes mocking them before you blow them up.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2016-01-04 00:15:46 UTC
There was some guy in Rens used to bounty everyone in local,

Not sure if he did it for lols or was just a scammer trying to make everyone "Wanted" so he didn't stand out.

Basically Bounties are Street Cred and that is about it, no-one is going to attack you just for a bounty.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#28 - 2016-01-04 00:36:17 UTC
CCP SoniClover wrote:
* Having a bounty on you will never by itself make you a legal target anywhere.

CCP SoniClover wrote:
* The 20% payout is based on the loss value of the kill report, not on the bounty pool itself.

Example: If you have a 150 million bounty on you and the loss value of the kill report is 100 million, then 20 million will be paid out, leaving your remaining bounty at 130 million. If the bounty pool had been 15 million instead, then the entire 15 million would have been paid out on the kill.

* The total loss value includes both ship and lost modules.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/more-retribution-for-team-super-friends/

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Avvy
Doomheim
#29 - 2016-01-04 03:13:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Avvy
Solecist Project wrote:
There is no abuse and you're just a faceless alt anyway.
Look up what abuse means.

Throwing bounty at new players changes nothing for them, but the pic.

I use them as personality test.


You're just trolling.

In case you're not ...

There is no abuse. It's fun, nothing more. Any new player who rages about the bounty
does not even understand what it means or does. For a new played it changes nothing.

I bounty new players a lot. It shows me the attitude and intellect the player has.
Ofc not everyone cares about that, understandably, but it changes nothing.

What matters is that the bounties create social content ...
... and they do that really well.



There is abuse of the system as it is a failed system.

Some people just place bounties on new characters just for the sake of it (some specifically target characters that don't have a bounty and are in an NPC corp.) because they can and they also know it annoys some new players as even those new players can see it's a broken system.

Just goes to show how bad the system is when more seasoned players tell others that they shouldn't worry about the bounty as it doesn't mean anything.
Memphis Baas
#30 - 2016-01-04 03:34:32 UTC
Jeremy 929 wrote:
so... having a bounty does NOT give people attack rights against you? how would someone go about claiming a bounty placed on someone?


To claim SOME of the bounty, they have to kill you. But they have to follow all the combat rules for the space where the fight takes place (highsec for example, they CAN attack you, but they'll lose their ship to police = it's called suicide ganking).

And they get 20% of the value of your ship. So you can have 1,000,000 bounty, if you only fly newbie frigates (400,000) they only get 80,000.

As above, if they attack you in highsec, they will lose their ship (400,000) to police, and will only get 80,000 bounty. Thus, not worth it.

Lesson for highsec: if your ship or the loot in your cargo is worth millions, you may get attacked. People lose 400k and gain your loot millions. Worth it = suicide gank.
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#31 - 2016-01-04 03:50:24 UTC
People also suicide gank for the Lols. Or one of the Alliances might be holding an event, like Burn Jita where tears are the currency of choice.

So yea, just adding more emphasis on Highsec is NOT safe, just generally less likely.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

gravytrader
Doomheim
#32 - 2016-01-05 09:04:13 UTC  |  Edited by: gravytrader
Jeremy 929 wrote:
so... having a bounty does NOT give people attack rights against you? how would someone go about claiming a bounty placed on someone?

is it different than seeing "wanted" on a character?


I can put a bounty on you in real life. Doesn't make it legal for someone to take you out...but you still may get taken out.
Same difference.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2016-01-05 12:27:44 UTC
gravytrader wrote:
Jeremy 929 wrote:
so... having a bounty does NOT give people attack rights against you? how would someone go about claiming a bounty placed on someone?

is it different than seeing "wanted" on a character?


I can put a bounty on you in real life. Doesn't make it legal for someone to take you out...but you still may get taken out.
Same difference.

In real life that would be a crime. Unless you were a governmental organization. Even then it would be however since they run their respective court systems it becomes complicated to hold them accountable. Back to your comparison here, in real life hiring someone to kill another person ( which a bounty is just a publicly available contract ) is a crime. You are considered just as guilty as the person pulling the trigger.

In this game there are no consequences inherent to game mechanics for a person placing a bounty on other person.

This is a game and a Sci Fi one at that, you'd probably be better off trying to avoid real life comparison to game mechanic rules as much as possible. Obviously you can do as you wish, I'm just saying we come to this game to live a fantasy not mimic real life, or at least that's why I come here.

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Solecist Project
#34 - 2016-01-05 13:41:45 UTC
Avvy wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
There is no abuse and you're just a faceless alt anyway.
Look up what abuse means.

Throwing bounty at new players changes nothing for them, but the pic.

I use them as personality test.


You're just trolling.

In case you're not ...

There is no abuse. It's fun, nothing more. Any new player who rages about the bounty
does not even understand what it means or does. For a new played it changes nothing.

I bounty new players a lot. It shows me the attitude and intellect the player has.
Ofc not everyone cares about that, understandably, but it changes nothing.

What matters is that the bounties create social content ...
... and they do that really well.



There is abuse of the system as it is a failed system.

Some people just place bounties on new characters just for the sake of it (some specifically target characters that don't have a bounty and are in an NPC corp.) because they can and they also know it annoys some new players as even those new players can see it's a broken system.

Just goes to show how bad the system is when more seasoned players tell others that they shouldn't worry about the bounty as it doesn't mean anything.

Doesn't make it a bad system at all, actually. You just for some weird reason believe that it matters and believe everyone is a sad being needed to be protected from anything they might, eventually, not like.

Maybe we should all drop a few million bounty on you. :)

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Avvy
Doomheim
#35 - 2016-01-06 04:03:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Avvy
Solecist Project wrote:
Avvy wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
There is no abuse and you're just a faceless alt anyway.
Look up what abuse means.

Throwing bounty at new players changes nothing for them, but the pic.

I use them as personality test.


You're just trolling.

In case you're not ...

There is no abuse. It's fun, nothing more. Any new player who rages about the bounty
does not even understand what it means or does. For a new played it changes nothing.

I bounty new players a lot. It shows me the attitude and intellect the player has.
Ofc not everyone cares about that, understandably, but it changes nothing.

What matters is that the bounties create social content ...
... and they do that really well.



There is abuse of the system as it is a failed system.

Some people just place bounties on new characters just for the sake of it (some specifically target characters that don't have a bounty and are in an NPC corp.) because they can and they also know it annoys some new players as even those new players can see it's a broken system.

Just goes to show how bad the system is when more seasoned players tell others that they shouldn't worry about the bounty as it doesn't mean anything.

Doesn't make it a bad system at all, actually. You just for some weird reason believe that it matters and believe everyone is a sad being needed to be protected from anything they might, eventually, not like.

Maybe we should all drop a few million bounty on you. :)



Not at all, don't believe that for one second (bolded and underlined bit).

But the system from an RP perspective is complete and utter BS.

I know if I was going to place a bounty on a character, it wouldn't be using the bounty system.

As for dropping a few million bounty on Avvy, I wouldn't waste your isk. Just under a month of my sub. left and it's starting to look like I won't be bothering to even log in.
SetSail ForEpicFail
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2016-01-06 07:23:44 UTC
a bounty means nothing unless you are in a very expensive ship and have a very high bounty, bu that time you should be long gone from highsec allready and people will blow you up bounty or not
Solecist Project
#37 - 2016-01-06 08:17:53 UTC
Avvy wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Avvy wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
There is no abuse and you're just a faceless alt anyway.
Look up what abuse means.

Throwing bounty at new players changes nothing for them, but the pic.

I use them as personality test.


You're just trolling.

In case you're not ...

There is no abuse. It's fun, nothing more. Any new player who rages about the bounty
does not even understand what it means or does. For a new played it changes nothing.

I bounty new players a lot. It shows me the attitude and intellect the player has.
Ofc not everyone cares about that, understandably, but it changes nothing.

What matters is that the bounties create social content ...
... and they do that really well.



There is abuse of the system as it is a failed system.

Some people just place bounties on new characters just for the sake of it (some specifically target characters that don't have a bounty and are in an NPC corp.) because they can and they also know it annoys some new players as even those new players can see it's a broken system.

Just goes to show how bad the system is when more seasoned players tell others that they shouldn't worry about the bounty as it doesn't mean anything.

Doesn't make it a bad system at all, actually. You just for some weird reason believe that it matters and believe everyone is a sad being needed to be protected from anything they might, eventually, not like.

Maybe we should all drop a few million bounty on you. :)



Not at all, don't believe that for one second (bolded and underlined bit).

But the system from an RP perspective is complete and utter BS.

I know if I was going to place a bounty on a character, it wouldn't be using the bounty system.

As for dropping a few million bounty on Avvy, I wouldn't waste your isk. Just under a month of my sub. left and it's starting to look like I won't be bothering to even log in.

Suddenly it's about RP, which had no mention in your initial post.
Suddenly it's a completely different context.
Suddenly it's not just about old players being mean to young players.

Do you even realize that you can't be taken seriously now?

I fully agree that you shouldn't bother...

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Avvy
Doomheim
#38 - 2016-01-06 16:27:36 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
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Suddenly it's about RP, which had no mention in your initial post.
Suddenly it's a completely different context.
Suddenly it's not just about old players being mean to young players.

Do you even realize that you can't be taken seriously now?

I fully agree that you shouldn't bother...



Nothing suddenly about it.

Sadly a lot of MMOs have moved away from RP in favour of a theme park style, with achievements not helping as players seem just to treat them like a list of things to do. Probably because most players don't RP in any real sense anymore.

The bounty system doesn't work properly in this game and is unlikely to be fixed as I don't think CCP know how to fix it.

But some players do abuse the system by just giving bounties to NPC corp. players. Just because they're NPC corp. new players. Most will be new as the older ones will already have a small bounty. Which is all part of the them and us mentality that exists in this game between some of the PvPers and PvEers.

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Keno Skir
#39 - 2016-01-06 17:40:01 UTC
I re-activated my acct yesterday after a 2 month break. It took approx 40 seconds before the first bounty :) Some people just aren't trying hard enough..
Centis Adjani
Adjani Corporation
#40 - 2016-01-06 18:02:09 UTC
Avvy wrote:
The bounty system doesn't work properly in this game and is unlikely to be fixed as I don't think CCP know how to fix it.
What is much to fix there?
1) Remove these ugly and just only disturbing "Wanted" signs from the Profile Pictures.
2) Remove the complete bounty system programming.
3) Done.

What is complete senseless and useless, should not stay in game and should not cost server side resources,
which better should be given to other game objectives.
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