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The Golden Age Of Mining And Mission Running

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Embrace My Hate
Bitmap Brothers
#21 - 2012-01-09 15:54:50 UTC
Aqriue wrote:
Jafit McJafitson wrote:
Please try to understand where we're coming from. We're playing the game as it was intended.

Playing the game any f*cking way you want, that is how its intended.

One thing you can't do, is at least respect how another player plays their game.

Seems its ok to call people pubbie (used as a derogatory word to someone that isn't in your clique), but I bet you wouldn't use racial slurs in the presence of your boss who was of another color.

Seems it ok to blast other people's hulks, but I know you wouldn't walk up to some other random person on the street and just smack them in the head then laugh at their reaction (cause you wouldn't do that in real life amirite? Just slapping someone could be cause for assault Roll)

Seems its ok to steal money and assests, but in real life you wouldn't really steal from your company or bust into your neighbors house to steal their flat screen (if your not firing off knuckle children in the privacy of your neighbor's house while watching something on that flat screen Oops)

You can only do those aspects in EVE, because you can get away with it and it is a form of self empowerment: I can do anything to you, therefore I am better then you

So, tl;dr aspect is you can play the damn game any way you want and thats how its intended.

I don't play the game how you play, but somethings I learned quickly is to be derogartory to some dreddit loudmouth like yourself brings a shitstorm down on them. Blowing up hulks is like blowing up level 4 battle ships, cause hulks die just as easily and I don't need some KM to prove I am better. I don't need to steal assets, because I make enough to suit my needs and because trust has zero value there is no way in hell I am going to trust another player in EVE (if someone wants to play the "rouge rogue" bad ass you are going to have to try way f*cking harder to get to know me then steal my stuff other then fishing local crap-contracts and calling yourself a scammer - BTW at least RL scammers made REAL money instead of fake virtual currency Roll)


Here we go comparing eve to real life again :roll eyes:
Jafit McJafitson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2012-01-09 16:09:22 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
If CCP wanted us all doing PVP , why did they created high sec and why did they created a player driven economy
Ask your self who is going to mine the minerals for your next ship or the fuel for yourcarrier , without those thousands of small corporations the game would turn onesided very fast


Since asteroid mining, two other forms of resource gathering have been introduced, POS moon mining and PI, both of which are automated, with the only player involvement being in setup and transport of harvested materials. Why is that? I think it's because asteroid mining is a relic from the early, innocent, carefree days of Eve.

True mining is an activity that the devs put in the game, but times have changed since beta, and we can't ignore present day realities. Mining is so boring and monotonous that the players have built bots to automate it for them. CCP I think turns a blind eye to illegal botting because if it were to disappear suddenly the economy would probably fall apart, because not enough players can bear the thought of spending their game time mining when they can do practically anything else in the game and get more isk/hour.

We don't do any mining in our space, it is cheaper and safer to import from Empire markets, which are probably mostly stocked by botters. So whether they're mining in high-sec, null-sec, or they're 'gunmining' bots killing rogue drones for their alloys in the Drone Regions, I, you and everyone else probably owe the minerals that built our ships to this game's brave robot miners.
Jafit McJafitson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2012-01-09 16:12:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Jafit McJafitson
Aqriue wrote:

One thing you can't do, is at least respect how another player plays their game.

:rant:


vOv

U mad bro?

Respect is earned, not demanded. Nothing you do is worthy of my respect.

Here's a song to soothe your buttmad soul: http://soundcloud.com/firedmn/pubbies
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#24 - 2012-01-09 16:14:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Skydell
Tanya Powers wrote:
Skydell wrote:
2 minutes before downtime and 20,000 are online, Zydrine is at 735 in Jita. Was at 1100 a year ago. Stocks are in the 10's of millions.

Maybe in 6 months you will be right. Today? Not so much.



Considering all the Exhumer/mining barge murdering that goes for months now and looking at your numbers I'd say that your alliances bots have far too much stock to inject at jita.

Because just face it for once, missioners and high sec miners being responsible for those prices? -c'mon.

Be serious for a second, pick any cloacky ship you can fly and make dozens or hundreds of null sec belts/sites/incursions to see they don't even care to salvage or loot, even battle fights most don't even care to salvage/loot any more and then you think about those dozens billions right there in front of you no one picks and posts like yours on this forum.

0/10


I'll be sure to tell my alliance bots that you weren't happy with them.. What? I guess...Ugh
Just out of curiosity, who is my alliance?

Oh, your thread has been hijacked OP. Don't stress it, you couldn't do anything to stop it.
Dr Karsun
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
#25 - 2012-01-09 16:37:27 UTC
Embrace My Hate wrote:
Elisha Starkiller wrote:
but yet without the people mining and making ships with industrial alts none of that stuff would have ever happend.....

not going against either point but your both right...


The vast majority of minerals are coming from the Drone Regions. Instability in the regions are hurting the supply of the minerals.

Also, I know very few PVP'ers that don't have industrial alts. The world will not end if a few highsec miners and manufacturer's rage quit from suicide ganks.


That is news since before the drone drop nerf. ATM as far as I recall the statistics show 60% and 40% in favor of mining vs all other refining.

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Infinion
Awesome Corp
#26 - 2012-01-09 16:39:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinion
mining is pretty cool, but I don't usually do it because it requires way too much patience and work. While I do think a miner has to step up his game to survive and be successful, I don't think you can be a true 100% miner without running into problems and I think that's been the case for years now. The miner bashing / personal attacks are unnecessary, it's clear that mining needs more content and flavor so lets leave it at that
Valei Khurelem
#27 - 2012-01-09 16:41:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Valei Khurelem
This is pretty much the EVE equivalent of a recession, wait until hulkageddon begins, they'll push prices up even more, time to stash your commodities folks :P

I did actually warn about this in a features ideas thread, this is pretty much the equivalent of ISK inflation, because CCP are making ISK available so freely now and there is an unlimited amount of it being dished out to people the prices are going to be pushed way up, thankfully like the real world there's a way to protect your wealth, buy ore, minerals and anything that has real value.

CCP should really look into just crashing their currency now otherwise the prices will rise forever and mission runners will become extinct and incursions will barely make anything.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium

pussnheels
Viziam
#28 - 2012-01-10 07:37:44 UTC
Jafit McJafitson wrote:
pussnheels wrote:
If CCP wanted us all doing PVP , why did they created high sec and why did they created a player driven economy
Ask your self who is going to mine the minerals for your next ship or the fuel for yourcarrier , without those thousands of small corporations the game would turn onesided very fast


Since asteroid mining, two other forms of resource gathering have been introduced, POS moon mining and PI, both of which are automated, with the only player involvement being in setup and transport of harvested materials. Why is that? I think it's because asteroid mining is a relic from the early, innocent, carefree days of Eve.

True mining is an activity that the devs put in the game, but times have changed since beta, and we can't ignore present day realities. Mining is so boring and monotonous that the players have built bots to automate it for them. CCP I think turns a blind eye to illegal botting because if it were to disappear suddenly the economy would probably fall apart, because not enough players can bear the thought of spending their game time mining when they can do practically anything else in the game and get more isk/hour.

We don't do any mining in our space, it is cheaper and safer to import from Empire markets, which are probably mostly stocked by botters. So whether they're mining in high-sec, null-sec, or they're 'gunmining' bots killing rogue drones for their alloys in the Drone Regions, I, you and everyone else probably owe the minerals that built our ships to this game's brave robot miners.

you never dabbled alot in the industry side of EVe did you , just a observation , no critism
Only industry side that doesn't need work is indeed moongoo , but you will be suprised how much works goes into pi if you want to make a good profit from it , not going into details but pi is much more than setting up you installation and empty the storage once a week , if you want to make a decent profit from it it takes some time on a daily base
second most minerals in high sec are from miners and mission runners and not bots , bots used to be rampaging a year ago but since then they seem to be in decline , my observation in the region i usually hang out , this only about minerals icemining bots still seems to be there in some systems , you would be suprised how quickly large buy orders fill up in highsec backwatersystems , far away from trade hub and with large buy orders i mean 100mil and more , and these are not from bots filling up that order
for you mining is boring and in a way it is but 3/4 of the fun in mining is the social aspect, chatting with your corpmates and for some people it is relaxing
For me after a long frustrating day at the office , i find peace and tranquility in watching my miners eat roids ; for some other that relaxing moment comes with blowing up ship , each their own i say
I just feel that griefing miners and other high sec industrials because they play the game different is wrong and will have a negative effect on the whole game if this persist on the scale like it is now

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#29 - 2012-01-10 08:29:16 UTC
Jafit McJafitson wrote:
pussnheels wrote:
the golden age of mining was when miners were treated as just another way of playing this game , today miners are ridiculed and being treated as pîece of dirt , they being called carebears or bots at best but most of the time called worse and CCP is actually encouraging others to grief them out of the game

Dear sweet pubbie. Your tears are like life sustaining nectar to those who kill you. I would like to say that you are dumb, but I know that it's not really your fault that you're like this




Actually, you're a pubbie too as you are not a Goon but merely a Goon-pet ~~~

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#30 - 2012-01-10 08:31:55 UTC
:10bux:

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

Nidokai
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2012-01-10 11:40:28 UTC
Jafit McJafitson wrote:
True mining is an activity that the devs put in the game, but times have changed since beta, and we can't ignore present day realities. Mining is so boring and monotonous that the players have built bots to automate it for them. CCP I think turns a blind eye to illegal botting because if it were to disappear suddenly the economy would probably fall apart, because not enough players can bear the thought of spending their game time mining when they can do practically anything else in the game and get more isk/hour.


It's obvious CCP turns a blind eye to botters, but the solution to the problem isn't to senselessly attack people (who are not impacting your enjoyment of the game in literally any way) for no reason other than that they don't conform to your vision of how the game is "supposed" to be played. The problem is botting, not people who legitimately enjoy playing the game solo, doing random activities as they please.

Not everything in any game, especially in an MMO, is necessarily designed to be a blowing-the-doors-off-the-house experience. Resource collection is a common feature present in almost every single MMO ever. Not only that, but different people like different things. Some people, including myself, enjoy grinding certain things out, be they asteroids or missions or whathaveyou.

Perhaps if botting was actually eliminated, mining and manufacturing from said materials might actually turn a serious enough profit to get people to spend the time in doing so. The reason I don't mine much anymore isn't because it's boring, or that I hate it; it's because it doesn't turn enough of a profit to actually be worth my time, and mining in low/nullsec is a fool's errand.

I just can't stand this attitude that not only says that if people don't play the game in a specific way, they're doing it wrong (since that would be one thing) but also this approach that apparently dictates that, if people don't play the game in the way you think they should, you're going to go out of your way to make the lives of people just trying to de-stress in their evening playing a game, a living hell. Especially this notion that you somehow have the 'enlightened' view of EVE's gameplay and you're 'liberating' people from some sort of self-induced slavery.

Generation Irony has produced a lot of unsavory individuals on the internet, but some EVE players are a very special breed of senselessly sadistic.
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-01-10 14:37:01 UTC
You somewhat see the hypocrite nature of the forums here.

Add in a few blatant trolls.

Add in the fact that this thread has been on Page one in the forum, inactive and still on page one.

People will try to justify suicide popping miners by saying it cuts in tot hier profits, then 3 threads later say mining is 6 mill an hr and not worth it, they won't mine. One or the other please.

Trolls rambling on in some Role Players language about tears and sustaining you can ignore but everyone needs to ignore them or it's pointless.

A year ago you would do well to keep a thread on page one for an hr when it was active. Now it's still here a day later and nobody is replying. The game is dead right now. People get bored in game and act up just like they do on the forum and this is also the real problem in EVE right now. There is no demand for minerals. Nobody is losing ships for a hundred reasons. It's why everyone is ISK farming. There isn't much else to do.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-01-10 16:15:15 UTC
Jafit McJafitson wrote:

You're playing a game that goes to great lengths to have one single un-sharded universe full of thousands of players. If all you do is shoot red crosses or mine rocks with the extent of your interaction with other players being chatting in corp or sperging in local because someone flipped your can or stole your salvage, then yes I think that I have reasonable grounds for accusing you of playing the game wrong.

But as I said, it's not your fault, Eve doesn't train the player how to play like other games do.

Compare your newbie experience in this game with that of Evian Drinker's newbie experience, a 1 day old player who on his first day helped tackle and kill three Tengus. We have another newbie, Orion Winters who got a warp-in on a Nyx Supercarrier on his second day, first supercapital kill of 2012. On your second day you were mining Scordite in your Bantam or grinding level1 missions. Can you imagine how different your Eve life would have been if you had that kind of start?

Please try to understand where we're coming from. We're playing the game as it was intended. We're interacting with each other in a multiplayer game like we're supposed to. We interact with each other all the time, cooperating and helping each other (or not sometimes). we interact with neutrals and reds using the myriad of ships and modules explicitly designed by CCP for combat.

We're doing all the things that CCP keeps making (very misleading and misrepresentative) trailers about. CCP don't make trailers about solo mining or mission running publords in high-sec for very good reason.


In the words of the great Bugs Bunny - What an embezzle! What an ultramaroon!


FYI - CCP trailers show multiple players doing Alliance wars in 0.0 space. CCP does not advocate ganking Industrial ships in high sec systems.
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#34 - 2012-01-10 16:18:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Wacktopia
I wish CCP would bite the bullet and move VGs to low sec (not null sec). The whole cyno-jam mechanic and lack of bubbles means the chance of a hot drop is zilch. A weather-eye on local and D-Scan would be enough intel. Might bring some more people and activity in to low sec perhaps.

Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together -  Fleet-Up.com

Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-01-10 18:03:58 UTC
Jafit McJafitson wrote:
[quote=pussnheels]Please try to understand where we're coming from. We're playing the game as it was intended.


I thought EVE was a sandbox? I didnt realize that there was a proper or improper way to play EVE.

"The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB

Borun Tal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-01-10 18:24:29 UTC
What?!?!?!?! Ugh
Ziranda Hakuli
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2012-01-10 19:42:19 UTC
So people are not playing eve correctly? i love bursting bubbles but they are playing it to their style and not to your whim of being scammed. No one has the right to tell anyone how to play they will eventually get to that level and learn more about the game is has huge opportunities of growth.

So you TEST guys need to get that GOON out from your butt
ariana ailith
Dukalin
#38 - 2012-01-12 09:24:04 UTC
does it matter why the prices are rising? fact is some are rising... sell your stuff. done.
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