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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#3501 - 2016-01-05 17:06:54 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Casual players are the issue, simple fact is that a single account is easier to kill then having a second account, and to be blunt €30 a month is a bit steep to be more difficult to kill, or €14.95 + grinding for plex which of course requires taking more risk to do so, to be blunt I really cannot be bothered to do that..

Conclusion, casual players can't be casual enough, which is the problem, I just came back to say hello to some friends on the €9.99 deal, but I can tell you that I will do absolutely jack in game because I need two account to be competitive.


That's funny, I casually make 250-500 mil a day on this char without any real grinding (although technically anything you repeat is grinding), in high sec even. If I'd play any more casual I'd still make 100 mil and assume I'd play 3 times a week then that's 1.2 bil.

It's not about being casual, it's about being terrible.


Oh dear 7 kills and 1 loss, that is what I would call terrible.


What's 'terrible' is your tendency to run to a kill board in these kinds of situations as if killboards measure anything... They don't btw, which is good for you since your own isn't very impressive...

Quote:

250m to 500m a day is not casual in hisec, to define that as casual is laughable. The trolls on GD have got even worse if that was possible...


Translation: I don't know how to do that, so it must not be possible, therefore the guy with more knowledge than me who is better at the game must be trolling.

Oh, and here you go. 1 character. High Sec. An hour a night of that you got a plex in less than a week. Sounds pretty casual to me..


Still way better than yours, but when people call someone terrible in a PvP game and they have killed one combat ship I guess that is terrible.

The context is casual, in other words to play when they feel like it, an hour perhaps at max maybe twice a week, if that person thinks that they can get 250m to 500m a day on that then I have to smoke what he is smoking.

As for you, you are a min/max player, I keep pointing out that many people do not have your threshold for mind numbing boredom, but then again I get bored pointing that out.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#3502 - 2016-01-05 17:09:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Gregor Parud wrote:
Yes, kills on a character are a clear indication of how much isk he can make or how much he knows, especially if it's an alt. Your logic in this regard is probably a sign of being terrible which comes as no surprise. P.s. Have you seen your own KB?

Here's a picture of what I made since Monday (so less than 2 days total), it's a result of knowing wtf I'm doing, not of hard work or massive grinding. Your mileage may vary depending on your level of terribleness.


This is a PvP game, or so I am told, a single combat ship kill, wtg buddy, also casual means play to have fun, then you might get it, not another terribad min/max'er like Jenn, as if that person was not boring enough.

And I bet that Coercer was a noob too.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#3503 - 2016-01-05 17:16:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Dracvlad wrote:


Still way better than yours, but when people call someone terrible in a PvP game and they have killed one combat ship I guess that is terrible.


Ah, this poor little scrub doesn't know what alts are. Too bad we can't post killboards here, I guess he'll just have to go to zkill and look up the name Cassius Rex for himself. It would be nice if he could take a picture of himself weeping at how crap his KB stats are compared to mine, but whatever Twisted

BTW, Greg's main's pvp stats are proably way better than mine lol. Overall mine are rather poor, just way better than yours lol.

Quote:

The context is casual, in other words to play when they feel like it, an hour perhaps at max maybe twice a week, if that person thinks that they can get 250m to 500m a day on that then I have to smoke what he is smoking.

As for you, you are a min/max player, I keep pointing out that many people do not have your threshold for mind numbing boredom, but then again I get bored pointing that out.


Like I siad, your not good enough to figure out how to do it yourself, so obviously no one can. Allow me to repost Gregor's picture for you., you know, the one with the picture of the Stratios you can't seem to figure out how to fly filled with the 1.1 bil worth of high sec deadspace loot you can't seem to find for yourself...

If you'd spend less time thinking you were superior to everyone (while failing to conquer Stain yet again and more time learning how to actually play, you might make something of yourself in this game. I mean we know you won't, but you could. You are your own worst enemy, it's not the rest of us.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#3504 - 2016-01-05 17:18:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregor Parud
Dracvlad wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
Yes, kills on a character are a clear indication of how much isk he can make or how much he knows, especially if it's an alt. Your logic in this regard is probably a sign of being terrible which comes as no surprise. P.s. Have you seen your own KB?

Here's a picture of what I made since Monday (so less than 2 days total), it's a result of knowing wtf I'm doing, not of hard work or massive grinding. Your mileage may vary depending on your level of terribleness.


This is a PvP game, or so I am told, a single combat ship kill, wtg buddy, also casual means play to have fun, then you might get it, not another terribad min/max'er like Jenn, as if that person was not boring enough.

And I bet that Coercer was a noob too.


I'm enjoying exploration, it allows me to keep an eye on my other 5 accounts who mostly do wardeccing or solo pvp in 0.0/WH on other alts and to chat in Rookie channel to help the newbies. And while doing that I make a bunch of isk, how about that. I also like how you're completely avoiding what is stated.

Perhaps I need to look into you and your corp a little bit.
Solecist Project
#3505 - 2016-01-05 17:23:29 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
Yes, kills on a character are a clear indication of how much isk he can make or how much he knows, especially if it's an alt. Your logic in this regard is probably a sign of being terrible which comes as no surprise. P.s. Have you seen your own KB?

Here's a picture of what I made since Monday (so less than 2 days total), it's a result of knowing wtf I'm doing, not of hard work or massive grinding. Your mileage may vary depending on your level of terribleness.


This is a PvP game, or so I am told, a single combat ship kill, wtg buddy, also casual means play to have fun, then you might get it, not another terribad min/max'er like Jenn, as if that person was not boring enough.

And I bet that Coercer was a noob too.


I'm enjoying exploration, it allows me to keep an eye on my other 5 accounts who mostly do wardeccing or solo pvp in 0.0/WH on other alts and to chat in Rookie channel to help the newbies. And while doing that I make a bunch of isk, how about that. I also like how you're completely avoiding what is stated.

Perhaps I need to look into you and your corp a little bit.

Totally willing to give you a hand.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Top Guac
Doomheim
#3506 - 2016-01-05 17:30:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Top Guac
Gregor Parud wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
This is a PvP game, or so I am told, a single combat ship kill, wtg buddy, also casual means play to have fun, then you might get it, not another terribad min/max'er like Jenn, as if that person was not boring enough.

And I bet that Coercer was a noob too.


I'm enjoying exploration, it allows me to keep an eye on my other 5 accounts who mostly do wardeccing or solo pvp in 0.0/WH on other alts and to chat in Rookie channel to help the newbies. And while doing that I make a bunch of isk, how about that. I also like how you're completely avoiding what is stated.

Perhaps I need to look into you and your corp a little bit.

Don't man. They're killing cynos and industrials in nullsec. It's super leet.

Dracvlad is known to avoid what is stated. It tends to not agree with his trolling narrative, so is better for him to just ignore.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#3507 - 2016-01-05 17:38:17 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
Yes, kills on a character are a clear indication of how much isk he can make or how much he knows, especially if it's an alt. Your logic in this regard is probably a sign of being terrible which comes as no surprise. P.s. Have you seen your own KB?

Here's a picture of what I made since Monday (so less than 2 days total), it's a result of knowing wtf I'm doing, not of hard work or massive grinding. Your mileage may vary depending on your level of terribleness.


This is a PvP game, or so I am told, a single combat ship kill, wtg buddy, also casual means play to have fun, then you might get it, not another terribad min/max'er like Jenn, as if that person was not boring enough.

And I bet that Coercer was a noob too.


I'm enjoying exploration, it allows me to keep an eye on my other 5 accounts who mostly do wardeccing or solo pvp in 0.0/WH on other alts and to chat in Rookie channel to help the newbies. And while doing that I make a bunch of isk, how about that. I also like how you're completely avoiding what is stated.

Perhaps I need to look into you and your corp a little bit.


What avoiding the definition of casual players and trying to act as if you are a casual player with 6 accounts, that was so funny mate I am laughing at you.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#3508 - 2016-01-05 17:48:32 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


Still way better than yours, but when people call someone terrible in a PvP game and they have killed one combat ship I guess that is terrible.


Ah, this poor little scrub doesn't know what alts are. Too bad we can't post killboards here, I guess he'll just have to go to zkill and look up the name Cassius Rex for himself. It would be nice if he could take a picture of himself weeping at how crap his KB stats are compared to mine, but whatever Twisted

BTW, Greg's main's pvp stats are proably way better than mine lol. Overall mine are rather poor, just way better than yours lol.

Quote:

The context is casual, in other words to play when they feel like it, an hour perhaps at max maybe twice a week, if that person thinks that they can get 250m to 500m a day on that then I have to smoke what he is smoking.

As for you, you are a min/max player, I keep pointing out that many people do not have your threshold for mind numbing boredom, but then again I get bored pointing that out.


Like I siad, your not good enough to figure out how to do it yourself, so obviously no one can. Allow me to repost Gregor's picture for you., you know, the one with the picture of the Stratios you can't seem to figure out how to fly filled with the 1.1 bil worth of high sec deadspace loot you can't seem to find for yourself...

If you'd spend less time thinking you were superior to everyone (while failing to conquer Stain yet again and more time learning how to actually play, you might make something of yourself in this game. I mean we know you won't, but you could. You are your own worst enemy, it's not the rest of us.


You need to lighten up mate, you are so full of repressed anger.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#3509 - 2016-01-05 17:49:18 UTC
why does the number of accounts determine if you are casual or not in a game with so many different activities?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#3510 - 2016-01-05 17:50:09 UTC
Let me spell it out for you slowly so you might understand it.


- I have multiple accounts which are all very busy with doing non-pve stuff in various ways
- that means that those other accounts don't affect what I'm doing in exploration
- it DOES mean that most of the time i will be attending those other accounts, as they're doing PVP
- this is an alt account that I tab to when pvp is a bit slow, when I need an extra neutral scout or if I'm just relaxing and chatting in Rookie
- that thus means that the actual time this character is actually busy doing exploration is very limited
- which in turn means that I don't spend more time on actual exploration any more than anyone who's playing casual


See, if you apply some braincells it really isn't difficult.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#3511 - 2016-01-05 17:59:02 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


Still way better than yours, but when people call someone terrible in a PvP game and they have killed one combat ship I guess that is terrible.


Ah, this poor little scrub doesn't know what alts are. Too bad we can't post killboards here, I guess he'll just have to go to zkill and look up the name Cassius Rex for himself. It would be nice if he could take a picture of himself weeping at how crap his KB stats are compared to mine, but whatever Twisted

BTW, Greg's main's pvp stats are proably way better than mine lol. Overall mine are rather poor, just way better than yours lol.

Quote:

The context is casual, in other words to play when they feel like it, an hour perhaps at max maybe twice a week, if that person thinks that they can get 250m to 500m a day on that then I have to smoke what he is smoking.

As for you, you are a min/max player, I keep pointing out that many people do not have your threshold for mind numbing boredom, but then again I get bored pointing that out.


Like I siad, your not good enough to figure out how to do it yourself, so obviously no one can. Allow me to repost Gregor's picture for you., you know, the one with the picture of the Stratios you can't seem to figure out how to fly filled with the 1.1 bil worth of high sec deadspace loot you can't seem to find for yourself...

If you'd spend less time thinking you were superior to everyone (while failing to conquer Stain yet again and more time learning how to actually play, you might make something of yourself in this game. I mean we know you won't, but you could. You are your own worst enemy, it's not the rest of us.


You need to lighten up mate, you are so full of repressed anger.


I'm not your mate buddy (nor am i your buddy, pal, or your pal, hommie). And i'm only angry at the fact that you are not better at this video game that I am (by your own killboard-centric measure) better than you at.

Good day sir!

*slams forum door*
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#3512 - 2016-01-05 18:08:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Jenn aSide wrote:


I'm not your mate buddy (nor am i your buddy, pal, or your pal, hommie). And i'm only angry at the fact that you are not better at this video game that I am (by your own killboard-centric measure) better than you at.

Good day sir!

*slams forum door*


Now there you go, getting even more hot under the collar as per normal, nothing really wrong with your KB at all, but I would not say its better than mine if you use small gang as a measure, but you are in smallish fleets so its not bad.

So lighten up mate.

Fact is neither you or the guy with 7 kills and only one a combat ship are casual players and any comment you make on your abilities or method of play is totally irrelevant. in talking about casual players.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#3513 - 2016-01-05 18:22:57 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
Let me spell it out for you slowly so you might understand it.


- I have multiple accounts which are all very busy with doing non-pve stuff in various ways
- that means that those other accounts don't affect what I'm doing in exploration
- it DOES mean that most of the time i will be attending those other accounts, as they're doing PVP
- this is an alt account that I tab to when pvp is a bit slow, when I need an extra neutral scout or if I'm just relaxing and chatting in Rookie
- that thus means that the actual time this character is actually busy doing exploration is very limited
- which in turn means that I don't spend more time on actual exploration any more than anyone who's playing casual


See, if you apply some braincells it really isn't difficult.


So you are doing exploration, a bit more detail in the forum post rather than off forum links that I never trust.

A little bit detail might not go amiss here, like how long you spend doing it, what exactly are you running and where, the drop value and is this something that comes from the recent content that I understand is soon to end? Details are rather important when having a discussion, also laying off the name calling too.

Having 6 accounts is not causal play, a causal player will have one maybe two accounts and will do all the PvP and other stuff on them, so what you say and do is irrelevant to how a player with one account plays. I don't presume to argue against Jenn a Side when it comes to elite level incursion running for example, I do argure on the basis of people who find them boring and hate waiting around and do it casual like. See the difference mate, its not that hard to work out...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Solecist Project
#3514 - 2016-01-05 18:26:12 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
Let me spell it out for you slowly so you might understand it.


- I have multiple accounts which are all very busy with doing non-pve stuff in various ways
- that means that those other accounts don't affect what I'm doing in exploration
- it DOES mean that most of the time i will be attending those other accounts, as they're doing PVP
- this is an alt account that I tab to when pvp is a bit slow, when I need an extra neutral scout or if I'm just relaxing and chatting in Rookie
- that thus means that the actual time this character is actually busy doing exploration is very limited
- which in turn means that I don't spend more time on actual exploration any more than anyone who's playing casual


See, if you apply some braincells it really isn't difficult.

And might I add that you have one of the best looking amarrian portraits out there. ^_^

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#3515 - 2016-01-05 18:51:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregor Parud
Dracvlad wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
Let me spell it out for you slowly so you might understand it.


- I have multiple accounts which are all very busy with doing non-pve stuff in various ways
- that means that those other accounts don't affect what I'm doing in exploration
- it DOES mean that most of the time i will be attending those other accounts, as they're doing PVP
- this is an alt account that I tab to when pvp is a bit slow, when I need an extra neutral scout or if I'm just relaxing and chatting in Rookie
- that thus means that the actual time this character is actually busy doing exploration is very limited
- which in turn means that I don't spend more time on actual exploration any more than anyone who's playing casual


See, if you apply some braincells it really isn't difficult.


So you are doing exploration, a bit more detail in the forum post rather than off forum links that I never trust.

A little bit detail might not go amiss here, like how long you spend doing it, what exactly are you running and where, the drop value and is this something that comes from the recent content that I understand is soon to end? Details are rather important when having a discussion, also laying off the name calling too.

Having 6 accounts is not causal play, a causal player will have one maybe two accounts and will do all the PvP and other stuff on them, so what you say and do is irrelevant to how a player with one account plays. I don't presume to argue against Jenn a Side when it comes to elite level incursion running for example, I do argure on the basis of people who find them boring and hate waiting around and do it casual like. See the difference mate, its not that hard to work out...


Well that's difficult to gauge, my wardec chars are always online even when asleep, for obvious reasons. This one logs in and out when it suits me or when I don't need the locator chars on that account. And even when it's logged in I'm mostly busy elsewhere or I'm actually idling while chatting in rookie or in chat explaining stuff to people. Or as right now I'm recording a new tutorial video to add to my YT channel. My char login time isn't my actual exploration time.

Perhaps we differ on the concept of "casual". casual to me doesn't mean "clueless idiot", it means "someone who doesn't play very much or takes it too serious". You don't have to play a game a lot nor take it very serious but you can still put in some effort to do it right (at whatever it is you choose to do). Exploration is relaxing, you scan a bit and after a while it gets really zen-like and then you find a site complete it and there's a rush of "what's in the box", and then you go scanning again.

About 2 years ago, on another char for that same use, I clocked myself over a whole month: actual hours explored vs total income and came to 92m/h. But in 2 years I've optimised quite a bit but on the other hand exploration has also changed. On the whole it feels (exploration income is erratic so it's difficult to really pinpoint) that I'm making well over 100 mil/h.

The trick to doing well is to optimise, not to get distracted by salvaging or looting normal stuff and by figuring out how to blitz those sites, avoid killing npc where you can. And the REAL trick is knowing in what systems you have the most chance of finding sites because site spawn is NOT random, some systems and areas are really good, some are terrible. You figure that out by BMing all valid sites you find and building up a database, and after a while you can then start applying logic and conclude that you can simply avoid most systems and only go for some key ones that tend to be really good. I'm at a point where i can look at the map and pinpoint an area stating "this will be great for combat exploration" while never having been there, simply because through correlation I now recognise those areas.

That's not necessarily/only a result of playing tons of hours, it's a result of making good use of the hours and info you have available. I help newbies with this quite a bit, some quit because :effort: but many come back to me a few days later happy about having made 200 mil or so, in their t1 fit destroyer being 2 weeks old.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#3516 - 2016-01-05 18:53:29 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
Let me spell it out for you slowly so you might understand it.


- I have multiple accounts which are all very busy with doing non-pve stuff in various ways
- that means that those other accounts don't affect what I'm doing in exploration
- it DOES mean that most of the time i will be attending those other accounts, as they're doing PVP
- this is an alt account that I tab to when pvp is a bit slow, when I need an extra neutral scout or if I'm just relaxing and chatting in Rookie
- that thus means that the actual time this character is actually busy doing exploration is very limited
- which in turn means that I don't spend more time on actual exploration any more than anyone who's playing casual


See, if you apply some braincells it really isn't difficult.

And might I add that you have one of the best looking amarrian portraits out there. ^_^


This one will be up for sale soon, I'll add 2 bil extra to the total price for "looking good".
Solecist Project
#3517 - 2016-01-05 19:42:24 UTC
NOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooo........................

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Fa Xian
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3518 - 2016-01-05 19:47:48 UTC
New players are attracted by the look of the game. And the idea of giant space battles against other players.

The game delivers on the looks. It does not encourage people to enjoy player versus player content.

When you are trivially erased from space by people you can't even see or interact with at a gate when you were just trying to move around, you get turned off.

When you have to do something else - mine, mission, explore - to pay for the privilege of enjoying PVP time, you get turned off.

When giant well organised gangs of people ruthlessly control vast swaths of space that are mostly empty, you get turned off.

When you can only contribute to a team as disposable tackle, if you can even find anyone to interact with in a fleet, you get turned off.


Recently, the game made some brilliant changes to exploration. They made it into a game. A game that keeps you in space to "provide content" for others. Mining needs the same kind of buff. Missions are good, but should be more dynamic - it should be impossible to google a solution. At least randomize what spawns in what positions. Basically missions should be replaced with DED type rewards.

But want to get more new people? Start them in a Gnosis. Replace the Gnosis - which comes pre-fit with modules - either a given number of times (10+) or in an unlimited number of times over a trial period (first 60 days). Give them a simple canned fit based on a simple choice each go - "Will you be doing missions, pvp, exploration, mining, or trading?" = different fits. Perhaps a tutorial mission in each.

Like the saying goes - "First dose is free"

Show them higher end content. Then ask them to work a treadmill to get it.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#3519 - 2016-01-05 20:02:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Gregor Parud wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
Let me spell it out for you slowly so you might understand it.


- I have multiple accounts which are all very busy with doing non-pve stuff in various ways
- that means that those other accounts don't affect what I'm doing in exploration
- it DOES mean that most of the time i will be attending those other accounts, as they're doing PVP
- this is an alt account that I tab to when pvp is a bit slow, when I need an extra neutral scout or if I'm just relaxing and chatting in Rookie
- that thus means that the actual time this character is actually busy doing exploration is very limited
- which in turn means that I don't spend more time on actual exploration any more than anyone who's playing casual


See, if you apply some braincells it really isn't difficult.


So you are doing exploration, a bit more detail in the forum post rather than off forum links that I never trust.

A little bit detail might not go amiss here, like how long you spend doing it, what exactly are you running and where, the drop value and is this something that comes from the recent content that I understand is soon to end? Details are rather important when having a discussion, also laying off the name calling too.

Having 6 accounts is not causal play, a causal player will have one maybe two accounts and will do all the PvP and other stuff on them, so what you say and do is irrelevant to how a player with one account plays. I don't presume to argue against Jenn a Side when it comes to elite level incursion running for example, I do argure on the basis of people who find them boring and hate waiting around and do it casual like. See the difference mate, its not that hard to work out...


Well that's difficult to gauge, my wardec chars are always online even when asleep, for obvious reasons. This one logs in and out when it suits me or when I don't need the locator chars on that account. And even when it's logged in I'm mostly busy elsewhere or I'm actually idling while chatting in rookie or in chat explaining stuff to people. Or as right now I'm recording a new tutorial video to add to my YT channel. My char login time isn't my actual exploration time.

Perhaps we differ on the concept of "casual". casual to me doesn't mean "clueless idiot", it means "someone who doesn't play very much or takes it too serious". You don't have to play a game a lot nor take it very serious but you can still put in some effort to do it right (at whatever it is you choose to do). Exploration is relaxing, you scan a bit and after a while it gets really zen-like and then you find a site complete it and there's a rush of "what's in the box", and then you go scanning again.

About 2 years ago, on another char for that same use, I clocked myself over a whole month: actual hours explored vs total income and came to 92m/h. But in 2 years I've optimised quite a bit but on the other hand exploration has also changed. On the whole it feels (exploration income is erratic so it's difficult to really pinpoint) that I'm making well over 100 mil/h.

The trick to doing well is to optimise, not to get distracted by salvaging or looting normal stuff and by figuring out how to blitz those sites, avoid killing npc where you can. And the REAL trick is knowing in what systems you have the most chance of finding sites because site spawn is NOT random, some systems and areas are really good, some are terrible. You figure that out by BMing all valid sites you find and building up a database, and after a while you can then start applying logic and conclude that you can simply avoid most systems and only go for some key ones that tend to be really good. I'm at a point where i can look at the map and pinpoint an area stating "this will be great for combat exploration" while never having been there, simply because through correlation I now recognise those areas.

That's not necessarily/only a result of playing tons of hours, it's a result of making good use of the hours and info you have available. I help newbies with this quite a bit, some quit because :effort: but many come back to me a few days later happy about having made 200 mil or so, in their t1 fit destroyer being 2 weeks old.


Thanks thats a good post, casual is someone who has limited time and / or not taking it serious, I have loads of time to play if I wanted to, but just don't take it serious, I would play very casual, just when I feel like it, however and will stop when I get bored or fed up. This means that I really can't justify doing two accounts with RL money and I just cannot be bothered to plex.

A lot of casual hisec players just do what they want without min / max'ing it like Jenn does with Incursions for example, for example doing courier contracts is a hell of a grind, and not that profitable if casual so no way in hell will they be able to plex a second account to web their freighter. Its that type of attitude I was trying to point out.

Seriously you are not a casual player, its not an insult its not having a dig, I find a lot of PvE in Eve boring, so I can only do it for so long, and when you do that PvE in hostile space and for example the same guy is running up and down the pipe with one character using a cargo scanner to pick off the best stuff from sites and then has people camped up on other good sites you sort of get a bit bored by it all.

And good work with developing the new players. Oh and about war decs, I did say that I only subbed to speak to some people, one was worried that I had got blown up in RL

EDIT: Sounds like some recent changes to exploration I am unaware of, better check that out.

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#3520 - 2016-01-05 20:28:53 UTC
I remember logging in years ago and seeing 90k plus players on at any given time... The massive decline in numbers started when C.O.D.E came into play, you want more people playing and new blood coming in kick the new order aka code out of high sec end their clear violation of the tos.

And then you can make new content as in, new career opportunities more ships more stations, more zones for high,low, null etc.. Or you an ignore reality and continue to not produce new content and let harassment go on and watch the population drop even lower. I figure at about 5-10k you'll realize the problem and then it'll be too late. oh well.