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Target Breaker for Mining Barges and Freighters

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DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
#1 - 2016-01-05 01:42:14 UTC
Since mining is usually a solo occupation and not everyone wants to be in a corporation I think to help defend against gankers and pirates that a Target Breaker designed just for mining Barges and Freighters is in order. This module would require a mid slot for the freighter.


The Mining Barge /Freighter Target Breaker would be about 15% less powerful than the Battleship version and would would consume nearly half of the capacitor with one cycle. Using a lot of capacitor would allow the barge or freighter to generate a single large burst of energy to try and escape the pirates or gank.
Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#2 - 2016-01-05 02:49:05 UTC
This would be useless because the people ganking you would just lock you up right away because they equip sebos, and they are in a destroyer, and you are in a big ship.

-1

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FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#3 - 2016-01-05 02:53:48 UTC
The last mining op I was in had 60 blue pilots in local. All working together for mutual defense and profit. And not a single one was harmed.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#4 - 2016-01-05 03:14:33 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
The last mining op I was in had 60 blue pilots in local. All working together for mutual defense and profit. And not a single one was harmed.


Oh come on now, you know it's unreasonable to expect people to work together in an MMO. MMOs, as everyone knows, are for grinding away by yourself to make the green number get bigger exactly as though it were Farmville on Facebook.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2016-01-05 04:06:17 UTC
What are the chance of a TSB to ever do anything when locked by at most 4 ships?
Maria Dragoon
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2016-01-05 07:09:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Maria Dragoon
DrysonBennington wrote:
Since mining is usually a solo occupation and not everyone wants to be in a corporation I think to help defend against gankers and pirates that a Target Breaker designed just for mining Barges and Freighters is in order. This module would require a mid slot for the freighter.


The Mining Barge /Freighter Target Breaker would be about 15% less powerful than the Battleship version and would would consume nearly half of the capacitor with one cycle. Using a lot of capacitor would allow the barge or freighter to generate a single large burst of energy to try and escape the pirates or gank.



Can I just... call you out on this one? Mining is a ***** to do solo. Even with alts backing you, you typically make more money doing it in groups then you do solo, due to A, protection, B, due to A, moving into more dangerous areas to make more isk, and C, it makes it like 20 times less boring when you do it with others.

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Jerghul
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2016-01-05 07:24:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Jerghul
Maria
Or...do your own research. The data is out there. You just have to know how to find and analyse it.

The point was pertinent.

The average EvE player is not deeply invested and the ability to solo mine effectively is important. Your dismissal of a player raising that point is invalid.

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helana Tsero
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#8 - 2016-01-05 07:29:01 UTC
In high sec I support some sort of anti ganking device...

in nullsec... your nullbears are to safe already..

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2016-01-05 08:07:39 UTC
DrysonBennington wrote:
Since mining is usually a solo occupation and not everyone wants to be in a corporation I think to help defend against gankers and pirates that a Target Breaker designed just for mining Barges and Freighters is in order. This module would require a mid slot for the freighter.


The Mining Barge /Freighter Target Breaker would be about 15% less powerful than the Battleship version and would would consume nearly half of the capacitor with one cycle. Using a lot of capacitor would allow the barge or freighter to generate a single large burst of energy to try and escape the pirates or gank.


No. Learn to scout. Don't mine in systems frequented by CODE., and fly a procurer/skiff and fit a tank.

And this is an MMO...playing with others is what is intended. Solo play is typically harder than group play.

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ISD Alliance
#10 - 2016-01-05 13:19:48 UTC
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Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#11 - 2016-01-05 15:03:20 UTC
We should call it the scissor technique.

I think it should disable tank on the ship though.

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Solecist Project
#12 - 2016-01-05 15:27:15 UTC
Arya Regnar wrote:
We should call it the scissor technique.

I think it should disable tank on the ship though.

I have a friend who asked me to troll the OP,
calling him out on the scissors technique.

Having no idea wtf he was talking about,
I refused to do so, because talking about female sexual pract..... nevermind.

OP... what's the point of a mod you can't click on when you're afk?

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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#13 - 2016-01-05 15:30:27 UTC
Just some thoughts.

Hopelesshobo, if this module would be useless or nearly so what is the harm of having it in the game. If your theory is correct then a miner fitting this module would be gimping their tank and that would be good for the gankers and pirate anyway because more squishy target.

FT Diomedes, you are out of touch with the current game as it plays out in high sec. Mining ops with more than 2 or 3 ships are rare in high sec and have been for many years so what does this have to do with the OP.

Maria Dragoon wrote:
Can I just... call you out on this one? Mining is a ***** to do solo. Even with alts backing you, you typically make more money doing it in groups then you do solo, due to A, protection, B, due to A, moving into more dangerous areas to make more isk, and C, it makes it like 20 times less boring when you do it with others.

Maria you rate a quote here because.
Mining solo in high sec can and often is far more profitable than mining in a group. Mining in fleet makes you many times more likely to rate a visit from pirates and gank squads because you present more targets all in the same area. The increased ship losses this represents can quickly eliminate any additional profit you may have.

A. Protection, at least in high sec is one of the great lies that has been told and re-told so many times that it is now believed to be the truth. Miners and industrial players in high sec are two of the very few places left in the game where standings really matter. The rules of aggression in high sec and the standings penalties associated with breaking them make this whole concept of flying in a fleet for protection laughable at best. Change the rules of aggression and allow corp mates and or fleet mates to freely attack anyone that is attacking a fleet / corp member with out incurring penalties to their standings and then there would be a valid reason for this argument.

While I agree with the less boring aspect of playing this game as group you really need to come to grips with what that means. Myself and corp mates can all go out solo and do our own thing and STILL have a good time talking on our TS and by text using the in-game chat windows. On the other hand some of the most boring times I have ever had in EvE where when I was flying as part of a large fleet.
Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#14 - 2016-01-05 15:56:59 UTC
DrysonBennington wrote:
Since mining is usually a solo occupation and not everyone wants to be in a corporation I think to help defend against gankers and pirates that a Target Breaker designed just for mining Barges and Freighters is in order. This module would require a mid slot for the freighter.


The Mining Barge /Freighter Target Breaker would be about 15% less powerful than the Battleship version and would would consume nearly half of the capacitor with one cycle. Using a lot of capacitor would allow the barge or freighter to generate a single large burst of energy to try and escape the pirates or gank.


Someone watching local/d-scan/checking names against killboards/etc should never lose a mining ship
SetSail ForEpicFail
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2016-01-05 16:08:34 UTC
target breaker wont do you no good if afk...
Black Pedro
Mine.
#16 - 2016-01-05 16:24:40 UTC
Mining vessels can already use ECM drones to break locks, and freighters, well they are a capital ship that is intended to require an escort for protection. They should definitely not have a solo get-out-of-pvp-for-free button provided to facilitate their use without a support fleet.

So -1.
Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#17 - 2016-01-05 17:04:28 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:


Hopelesshobo, if this module would be useless or nearly so what is the harm of having it in the game. If your theory is correct then a miner fitting this module would be gimping their tank and that would be good for the gankers and pirate anyway because more squishy target.



Because I would like to use more useful mods in the game instead of stuff in the game like Defender Missiles that never get used. As an example, a catalyst with a sebo will take roughly 1.3 seconds to lock a barge, that same catalyst locking a freighter is well under 1 second. So then you factor in cycle time on the gun of 2.52 seconds. This means in the worst case scenario, you would be looking at disrupting half a cycle every time that it takes effect, however if the ganker reacts quick enough he could remain virtually unaffected depending on when his lock gets broken in regards to his cycle time. So for this mod to work it would have to work against very few numbers, which would then be a massive boost to lowsec mining because someone could simply bring out a skiff and if they miss dcscan, they can simply align out and activate this mod and wait for it to work.

The OP would be better off finding a better form of security that is much more guaranteed to work that already exists in the game.

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Tabyll Altol
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2016-01-06 08:36:46 UTC
helana Tsero wrote:
In high sec I support some sort of anti ganking device...

in nullsec... your nullbears are to safe already..


Interesting theory but from own experience there was no concord spawn to protect me any time in 0.0, but every time in highsec. But 0.0 is the safer part :D nice joke.

To the idea against it, there are plenty ways to reduce the risk beeing ganked in the game like e.g. a procurer with therm/Kin tank fit can tank around 100k damage. Use the existing ways.

-1
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2016-01-06 14:32:58 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
Just some thoughts.

Hopelesshobo, if this module would be useless or nearly so what is the harm of having it in the game. If your theory is correct then a miner fitting this module would be gimping their tank and that would be good for the gankers and pirate anyway because more squishy target.

FT Diomedes, you are out of touch with the current game as it plays out in high sec. Mining ops with more than 2 or 3 ships are rare in high sec and have been for many years so what does this have to do with the OP.


Sooo...because they fly alone making themselves a much easier target....they should be compensated for that decision?

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Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#20 - 2016-01-06 16:04:21 UTC
Tabyll Altol wrote:
Interesting theory but from own experience there was no concord spawn to protect me any time in 0.0, but every time in highsec. But 0.0 is the safer part :D nice joke.

To the idea against it, there are plenty ways to reduce the risk beeing ganked in the game like e.g. a procurer with therm/Kin tank fit can tank around 100k damage. Use the existing ways.

-1


Anyone in sov null as intel channels telling them when someone who isn't blue is coming from a dozen systems out. That is infinitely safer than HS

CONCORD doesn't protect anyone.
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