EVE General Discussion

Fruit is not 'full' of sugar, though some of it is sweet. A nice glass of cola is actually full of sugar. Hundreds of times more than is in an apple, for instance. On top of that, it's not naturally occurring fructose mixed with fiber to balance it. It's highly addictive high fructose corn syrup that has more in common with alcohol than naturally occurring sugars.

Now add in that agribiz doesn't profit from fruit. It profits from processed food with next to nothing in the way of nutrients.

You don't see MacDonald's advertising Oranges. The millions they spend is on pushing their highly profitable and sugar packed faux-food.

Look at any photo of non-Hollywood Americans to see the end result of eating flavored corn syrup as a dietary staple. Calling them fat is a complement. They are so morbidly obese that they can barely waddle, let alone go out and jog in a perfect sunrise like you see the beautiful people doing that are hired to sell the food that made them that way.

Mr Epeen

You do understand what makes fruit sweet, don't you? What fructose is? Maybe measured it with a refractometer in high school? No? In any case, you're wrong, it is. That being said, congratulations on attempting to produce an actual dialogue with people with some merit. The rest of what you said was mostly correct, and was the point of my question. You brought up balance. Balance is important to remember.

EVE has a free-to-play aspect, but it's balanced with the fact that you have a choice how to subscribe, and that choice determines whether or not you spend time grinding, or playing. Interestingly enough, EVE's model is backwards, because the microtransaction (ie the PLEX) as opposed to the subscription often results in more grinding for people rather than less. For the people that sell it on the market, they're spending less time grinding to acquire isk and, in turn, the things they spend that isk on. That being said, it doesn't generate isk and materials out of thin air. To me, it seems, that it also serves as an excellent deterrent to the goldfarming that riddles so many MMOs. I like that balance.

I was hoping someone would address my personal preference for an outright ban on F2P for now. That was a little bit of hyperbole to spark discussion. What I would like to see is some regulation, some balance. Right now, it's too hard to take advantage of people that don't know any better, and it's not always their fault that that is the case. Just like in the case of a child eating too much McDonalds because his parents have no concept of good nutrition, that child becomes an adult not really knowing any better, and struggles the rest of their lives as a result.

I'm 5'9" and 120lb, I eat pizza twice a week, don't touch vegies much, eat meat of all varieties with every meal, make my own pasta fresh, have one of the best mashed potato recipes IN THE WORLD (the real trick is not using any milk), and rice contains arsenic.

People seriously gotta stop telling other people what their diets should be. Sorry, pet peeve. But Epeen is right, fruit contains a lot of things other than sugar, but the vast majority of it is sugar in most cases. Especially oranges and other citrics.

It's mildly amusing when anyone says "dont eat that food its bad". Evolution says otherwise. Can you taste it? Does it taste good? Then in most cases it was meant to be eaten. Basic biochemistry really.

The rub of it is when you create a chemical or process to simulate a naturally occurring element of food. HFCS is a great example. Your body has zero understanding of how to process it to the point that it assumes its an alcohol. Fructose on the other hand your body can process quickly and relatively cleanly.

Funny thing is HFCS isnt actually "bad" for you.. but the host of mechanics that it simulates and the nature in which it can be used can allow for serious misuse and rather drastic dietary imbalances.

Also this thread is now fully derailed.

F2P is the new opiate of the masses.

Does it affect me? nope I'm addicted to games I have to pay for.

Nub. Free to play is where MMOs go to die. The fact that EVE is still charging subs is the single strongest indicator that the game is quite healthy.

Yeah, the whole post of hers was pretty far off reality ...

I played a few F2P games that are very aggressive for making players spend money to get anything done.

The answer is simple. I stopped playing those games.

If you don't want to make any sense, that's okay ...
... but it changes nothing about you being off reality with that post.

Eeerrrr .... okay ..........