Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Battleship with 2800 dps? fit please?

You can still obtain the damage you want your fitting screen to show with green magstabs and a drone damage amplifier and an armor tank that deserves the name.
Use Geckos, augmented orge, fed navy magstabs and there you go ~ 2500 or whatever dps.

By the way I always find it funny when I tell vindicator pilots I will sink their uber-dps boat in a regular tech one boat and I do. Ask around.

Reaver, I will have to come back to you on that. Just finished the last Legion subsystem book last week or so and haven't have the time to fiddle with fits.
A few days ago when my proteus died, it kinda didn't feel any kind of owerpowered or I would have killed that phoon, the drake, the rattlesnake, the broadsword and the curse.

People say a lot of things and I haven't flown a proteus much but the one billion boat died really quickly - even if the fitting screen told a different story.
I may only recall my experiences but overpowered does look very different to me.

Perhaps T3 Cruisers should get "promoted" to Battlecruisers? Larger Sig Radius for better damage application on them, a bit slower align times, etc.

I think the overlap between HAC's and T3 cruisers is the main problem because they fill more or less the same role in a fleet.

One small niche the HAC has is it's high sensor strengh that makes it less vulnerable to jamming. Why not build up on that and give them some of the Electronic Warfare Resistances the Caps will get with the upcoming tiericide.

E-War is a very powerful aspect in eve and it would give the HAC a more specialized role compared to the more versatile T3's.

They don't, but they have both good DPS and tank, T3s should have less tank and DPS than HACs.

Ultimately T3s should be balanced as a cruiser, sorry this means they might no longer be viable for C5 and C6 WHs.

there are easily a dozen things that need changing for T3's too be anywhere near balanced.

- remove rigs
- remove T2 resists
- subs being bonus based only (possibly less bonuses than they have now)
- build stats/hardpoints etc into the hull
- remove SP penalty
- subs need too be cheap 2mil ish each
- reduce dps and EHP
- reduce cpu and pg
- reduce slots perhaps?
- maybe split cargohold in half and add subsystem and module bays too make cargobays less hectic for ease of sub/module switching
- e-war subs need some balancing
-perhaps inbuilt maintenance bay for sub/mod switching (instead of using mobile depots)

so point being at the end they could cost similar too T2 cruisers and have navy level tank and abilities (stats/bonuses) but with enhanced versatility with easily interchangeable subs (without rig restrictions and hefty priced subs and slots moving around with every sub change).

That hurts.

Did you not read my forum post? I put out quite a few of my own ideas which I've never heard from anyone else.

Here's my proposal for this; i've had a lot of time to think about this over the years (balance and build crafting are my forte anyway) so hopefully this sounds acceptable:

-Strategic Cruisers are to be renamed Strategic Battlecruisers.
-All Strategic Battlecruisers have their signature radii brought up to battlecruiser size, so 190 or higher.
-All Strategic Battrlecuisers have their base warp speeds brought down to 2.7, excepting gravitational capactitor subsystems.
-All Strategic Battlecruisers Receive a 20% base hp increase to their defensive subsystems, bringing them *close* to base battlecruiser hp.
-Ability to fit Warfare Processors is removed from the subsystem and granted as a basic, unbonused ability to the hull.


Defensive Subsystems
-Adaptive Augmenter/Shielding are the only subs that retains full t2 resists.
-Active armor or shield repair systems get their hp per cycle knocked down to 7.5% per level.
-Warfare Processor gets removed and gets replaced with a Logistics Optimization subsystem, which obtains similar or reduced capabilities as t1 logistics cruisers.
-Loki's Amplification Node subsystem now mirrors the Tengu's for active shield repair.

Offensive Subsystems
-No offensive subsystem will retain 3 bonuses. Range bonuses (excepting the tengu's bonuses to hybrids) will be removed from them and ported into the former Covert Reconfig sub's bonuses.
-Covert Reconfiguration subsystem functions get moved into the Locus Coordinator electronics subsystem, and subsequent bonuses. Liquid Crystal Magnifier on Legion retain damage and optimal range bonus, whilst the new sub to replace the covert sub receives firing rate and tracking speed.
-Loki's Hardpoint efficiency config receives 2 additional turret and missile hardpoints, but goes down to a 5% firing rate per level for each.
-Replacement for covert sub on loki gets missile explosive damage and optimal range.
-Replacement for covert sub on Tengu gains a missile optimal range and a 10% kinetic damage bonus
-Accelerated Ejection bay on Tengu loses its kinetic damage bonus.
-Hybrid Propulsion Armature on the Proteus exchanges its falloff bonus for an optimal range bonus, as well as a low slot for an additional high slot and turret hardpoint.
-Dissonic Encoding platform loses its falloff range bonus, and gains the drone bandwidth and bay from Hybrid Propulsion Armature.
-Drone Synthesis projector has its damage and HP bonuses moulded into one 10% damage and hp per level, while receiving a 5% bonus to drone tracking speed and mwd speed. This applies to the Legion as well.
-Rifling Launcher Pattern loses its ECM bonus in favor of an explosion radius bonus.

Electronic Sybsystems
-All Emergent Locus Analyzer subsystems receive the covert ops abilities from the former covops sub.
-Energy Parasitic Complex gains a 20% bonus to energy neutralizer and energy nosferatu optimal and falloff range per level.
-Obfuscation Manifold retains the jam strength bonus of the Rifling Launcher Pattern that was removed from it.
-Tactical Targeting Network gains a 7.5% bonus to target painter strength, including the Amarr variant.

Propulsion Subsystems
-Wake Limiter subsystem bonus is increased to 15% per level

Engineering Subsystems
-All capacitor amount and recharge values are averaged between the four engineering subsystems.
-All combat bonuses and turret/missile hardpoint additions are appropriated into the Supplemental Coolant Injector.
-Proteus' Augmented Capacitor Resevoir now receives the same bonuses as its other racial counterparts.

I have used missiles quite a bit. It's not my fault a lot of people don't know how they work.

There's a reason the Tengu remained the strongest strategic cruiser even after it received the heaviest nerfs, and it's not because of railguns.

My take on it would be drop max dmg bar to below 600dps( 2 dmg mod + implants) for most subsystems combos exception being Proteus due to blasters it should reach almost 700.(4 guns/missiles hard points tops)

Then work on other subsystems and buff them example loki missile system buff it to ~600dps or legion drone subsystem buff it to where crystal mag or assault sub is ie ~600dps do that for all of em and versatility in weapon choices starts to kick in no more single sub for dps and rest is ...well garbage.

To compensate drop to mediocre cruiser DPS all of them would have plethora of high slots in any combination so one can further utilize ships new founded versatility/utility.

I personally would not touch resists or their tanks in general to see how changes would go and then if they prove that even with mediocre dmg their tanks are still an issue then i would look at limiting how many large extenders 1600mm plates pilot would be able to fit via pg nerfs(sub) since max turret / missile hard point is 4 max pg could be lowered so ridiculous tank fits are less possible.

Out right Nerf to all things is something i cant stand behind.