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"Bane" skill group, a solution to perception of imbalance.

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Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#1 - 2016-01-01 19:58:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Tom Gerard
So here it goes:

EVERYONE has their most hated ship class they just can't stand encountering in PVP.

For MOST people that ship class was capital a year back, and most recently destroyers are likely topping that list.


Break it down by ship class:

Frigate Bane
Destroyer Bane
Cruiser Bane
Battlecruiser Bane
Battleship Bane
Capital Bane

Each Bane skill is trainable up to V providing a 25% bonus to damage vs that class, HOWEVER only one bonus can be active at a time, and the active bonus can only be changed once every six months. Additionally hatred of this magnitude would be well represented in the public persona of a capsuleer so it would be readily visible on their profile as well as visible on the API

This would deliver the most honest survey of which ship classes people actually hate the most.


For lore on the topic, it is simply additional training to optimize your performance against a particular target.

Now with 100% less Troll.

Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2016-01-02 00:21:51 UTC
A skill I wouldn't train? I'll vouch for that.



Better make it 1% per level. That really is a lot, especially at level 5.





Tom Gerard wrote:
EVERYONE has their most hated ship class they just can't stand encountering in PVP.

So I'm nobody, then, is that what you're saying here?

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Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
#3 - 2016-01-02 03:55:18 UTC
Wouldn't be what they hate the most.

It would be: what they expect to fight the most often.

And that's important because I'd roll a Catalyst gank alt with Capital Bane V and go wild in the trade lanes. And I'd train Cruiser Bane and Frigate Bane alts for null/low/FW. I don't own a Super, but if I did I'd be getting Capital Bane V on that mofo straight away. That's like applying a Nyx damage bonus to every other Super.


This benefits specialist toons too damn much. I propose one small change: the Bane bonus does not apply while flying that class of ship.

Remove the usefulness on specialist toons and leave the hate and angriness in and you have a fun idea.
Kyra Lee
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2016-01-03 08:54:35 UTC
Tom Gerard wrote:
Now with 100% less Troll.
Are you sure about that?

You seem to be missing industrial and mining bane skills from your list. In all seriousness do we really need another tool to boost damage ontop of the ones we already have?
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#5 - 2016-01-03 09:01:19 UTC
How about getting rid of the damage bonus and just make it a skill representing your hatred for stuff. Like you can spend a month dwelling over how much you hate destroyers and then you get a big label on your portrait telling people all the stuff you hate. Maybe in the form of facial tattoos?
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#6 - 2016-01-03 18:40:48 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
How about getting rid of the damage bonus and just make it a skill representing your hatred for stuff. Like you can spend a month dwelling over how much you hate destroyers and then you get a big label on your portrait telling people all the stuff you hate. Maybe in the form of facial tattoos?


It might as well be a tattoo saying, "I make poor decisions."

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#7 - 2016-01-03 19:00:14 UTC
I was thinking of something more like a destroyer with a big red cross over it
Teckos Pech
Patriotic Tendencies
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2016-01-03 19:04:30 UTC
Tom Gerard wrote:
So here it goes:

EVERYONE has their most hated ship class they just can't stand encountering in PVP.

For MOST people that ship class was capital a year back, and most recently destroyers are likely topping that list.


Break it down by ship class:

Frigate Bane
Destroyer Bane
Cruiser Bane
Battlecruiser Bane
Battleship Bane
Capital Bane

Each Bane skill is trainable up to V providing a 25% bonus to damage vs that class, HOWEVER only one bonus can be active at a time, and the active bonus can only be changed once every six months. Additionally hatred of this magnitude would be well represented in the public persona of a capsuleer so it would be readily visible on their profile as well as visible on the API

This would deliver the most honest survey of which ship classes people actually hate the most.


For lore on the topic, it is simply additional training to optimize your performance against a particular target.


Why not just fix the imbalanced ships?

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Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#9 - 2016-01-06 17:03:41 UTC
what if the skill DECREASED damage TAKEN from a specific ship class?
yes I'm sure every AFK freighter 'toon would train gankalyst bane PDQ, but for everyone else.......
oh, and keep the 'if you're flying that ship class, the bonus doesn't count'


still too useful to specialists......I think

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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2016-01-06 18:46:14 UTC
More reason for people to refuse to engage because their bonus is not the right one to fight you.

We don't need that.

Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#11 - 2016-01-06 19:06:50 UTC
Xe'Cara'eos wrote:
what if the skill DECREASED damage TAKEN from a specific ship class?
yes I'm sure every AFK freighter 'toon would train gankalyst bane PDQ, but for everyone else.......
oh, and keep the 'if you're flying that ship class, the bonus doesn't count'


still too useful to specialists......I think


Because we need more tank on all our ships so logi is more effective...

Either proposal gets a -1 from me.

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