Science & Industry

As an AFK miner\ sports watching miner... I can mine for about 1 TV show or sports event... reprocess all the minerals spend about 700K on what I cannot mine and make 5 catalys. I then sell those catalyst for approx 850K each, which is slightly above mineral cost. Repeat as needed...
I can sell approx 25 catalyst in a week in 3 systems... All of this with a retreiver and very little direct solo eve time invested... I have sold enough catalyst to pay for the original retreiver, all the fittings, all the skill books used to train for that retreiver...so are my minerals free yet? I am just curious.. :)

When I have blocks of dedicated time then I can mission run, loot the kills, reprocess loot and have fewer minerals I must buy. When I do not have blocks of time then I can mine/manufacture and enjoy my TV\sporting events.

I get to enjoy the game the way I wish to play it. I get to make some ISK while I do it and I do not have to comply with the "correct" way to play or make the maxium isk per hour.

It is a game and it is a player driven economy...and all types of players drive that economy.

I fail to see why anyone who plays the market even semi-seriously would honestly give a crap if someone else (a) thinks "minerals I mine are free" and/or (b) lists her/his items below established "market value". Just buy the underpriced goods and flip them for a profit. End of story.


Stop trying to "educate the masses" - they don't want to hear your message, and the louder you talk, the deeper they shove their fingers into their ears trying to drown out your "market nonsense".




I most certainly would *NOT* be unhappy with this person - in fact, I might even send them an evemail asking if they'd be interested in supplying me with ships. They get their $$ immediately, I flip the ships over time for mad-ISKs. Win-win.

I also figure that one day I will be out mining, and this blob will come by and gank me, and tha last thing I will see is one of the catalyst that I built firing the fatal shot...and I will think of the sweet irony of it all as I wake up in a puddle of goo some where....

If i go out when its raining and collect water in a bucket, is that not free?

To the MIMAF haters: do you realize that you're actually paying more to play Eve than you think? ALOT more? It's not just your sub, but the MASSIVE lost opportunity this game represents. You could be making a ton of RL money if you were spending time outside of the game trying to do so instead of spending 20 hours a week in the game trying to make your ISK balance rise (or worse, wasting time on the forums trying to convince others that the minerals they mine aren't free). Get a life, seriously.

Honestly i like to make stuff... I mine while reading or playing with the grand kids....

I dont really care about makeing a profit.... If i make 50 frigates just because i have a BPC or even a bpo its fun just to see it sold... I do not really watch profits that much.. i did but why worry about it someone will always buy it and i wll always have isk..


above poster said it for me even better...

So if you really want to drive that argument to the absurdom (is that even a word?) you might as well whine that people run lvl 4 when they could be doing incursions/sleepers/anoms (or whatever is the latest huge isk faucet) since they are making less ISK.

As said many times, if people want to put up items below mineral cost... have buy orders up and get your minerals cheap or just flip em. You make money and is happy, they get their asking price and is happy.

Though... on the other hand I do understand where you come from. In my RL line of work I constantly see people undercutting eachother to the point of actually losing money on the jobs (or.. I guess they have illegal immigrants doing it because there is NO way they can have a profit otherwise). So yes I have no love for the "i am cheapest i just want it to sell/get the job" but.. this is a game.. Who cares, its internet pixel money. They get the money they asked for and are happy.. isnt that what a game is all about? Having fun? or have we all gone of the deep and really believe that internet spaceships IS serious business to the point of being RL?

Not everything has to be the optimal way, sometimes.. just do it for the lulz.. or.. the tears.. oh wait.. that is rather common to in EVE isnt it? :) So perhaps they are doing it for the tears.. these tears that they assume the OP is shedding when he sees those ships sold for below cost.

HA!! Figured it out, they are just griefers.. Griefing the marketers and industrialists. Now eve makes sense again, was getting worried that people took eve too serious there for a while.

EDIT: HAHA!!!! sorry eve forums.. copy paste before hitting post FTW your we where ganked missed me!

It's a game which is run by an economy, an economy that is run by players - so obviously some real world incentives will fall into EVE.

What is up with all of these "People don't care because it's a game" arguments? It's one of the most absurd damage control defenses I have ever heard.

In this game you make profit, profit becomes time, it becomes cooler ships, it becomes a better YOU. The best decision would be making the most out of your work so you can go out and buy whatever you like whether it be ships, skillbooks, etc. to keep you satisfied. Telling people that "people don't care because it's a game" is a logical fallacy - if this is somewhat true, why not just give minerals to people? **** around in space with your hulk and shoot rocks all day with tier 1 hybrid lasers? People care, maybe not as much as real world currency, but enough to compete and sell for maximum profits.

So far it seems the defense is countering with a lame, lazy excuse for their poor, asinine decisions.

I personally don't like mining that much, but it helps pay for eve time on my alt accounts and I don't have to put that much effort into mining.

Lives are free in other games that is no excuse to throw them away.

No, in fact it is completely relevant and you are missing the point. The "It's a GAME argument" is not that you cannot apply real life math to EVE. Of course you can. The point where the comparison breaks down is not in the hard math, but the motivation.

For example, In the real world I play the industrialist. And my primary motivation is to maximize profit. Why? It puts food on the table and a roof over my family's head. It allows me to pay my employees and keep them happy and so forth.

Now to be fair, I am not an industrialist in EVE. It feels too much like work. That is because my primary motivation in EVE is to have FUN. I do plenty of things that don't maximize my profit in EVE because they aren't fun (I seel to buy orders etc).

Now, there are plenty of people in EVE who are also motivated by FUN, who like to mine and build things. These are the people who will sell their items at a loss.

TLDR- The "It's a game argument" isn't about not applying real life math to EVE. It is that these calculations are irrelevant as the players motivation is FUN not PROFIT.