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Decline in numbers... starting to turn into RAPID!!!

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Globby
Never Ignorant Gettin' Goals Accomplished
Gimme Da Loot
#3261 - 2015-12-30 21:12:16 UTC
i miss the old eve online with a 2100 pilot capped jita 23/7 and 60,000 people logged in at the same time. OopsShockedShockedOopsEvilBlinkPirateUghBearIdeaPPLolWhat?
Vertinox
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3262 - 2015-12-30 21:56:54 UTC
Globby wrote:
i miss the old eve online with a 2100 pilot capped jita 23/7 and 60,000 people logged in at the same time. OopsShockedShockedOopsEvilBlinkPirateUghBearIdeaPPLolWhat?


Yeah I remember those days.

It was kind of scary during burn Jita when you were stuck at the gate mashing the button to enter over and over again.
Pix Severus
Empty You
#3263 - 2015-12-30 23:01:53 UTC
Vertinox wrote:
Globby wrote:
i miss the old eve online with a 2100 pilot capped jita 23/7 and 60,000 people logged in at the same time. OopsShockedShockedOopsEvilBlinkPirateUghBearIdeaPPLolWhat?


Yeah I remember those days.

It was kind of scary during burn Jita when you were stuck at the gate mashing the button to enter over and over again.


That was scary even when Burn Jita wasn't going on!

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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
#3264 - 2015-12-30 23:14:34 UTC
Pix Severus wrote:
Vertinox wrote:
Globby wrote:
i miss the old eve online with a 2100 pilot capped jita 23/7 and 60,000 people logged in at the same time. OopsShockedShockedOopsEvilBlinkPirateUghBearIdeaPPLolWhat?


Yeah I remember those days.

It was kind of scary during burn Jita when you were stuck at the gate mashing the button to enter over and over again.


That was scary even when Burn Jita wasn't going on!

I miss the whine threads in GD every couple of weeks when someone would lose a Freighter in Perimeter stuck on the Jita gate and they would complain about not receiving a warning before reaching the gate.

Commander Spurty
#3265 - 2015-12-30 23:38:20 UTC
Globby wrote:
i miss the old eve online with a 2100 pilot capped jita 23/7 and 60,000 people logged in at the same time. OopsShockedShockedOopsEvilBlinkPirateUghBearIdeaPPLolWhat?



All those lovely bots.... You did know they were not humans right, right?

Oh you didn't know.

How terribly sad for you

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

Built by CCP

King Aires
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3266 - 2015-12-31 00:45:43 UTC
Commander Spurty wrote:
Globby wrote:
i miss the old eve online with a 2100 pilot capped jita 23/7 and 60,000 people logged in at the same time. OopsShockedShockedOopsEvilBlinkPirateUghBearIdeaPPLolWhat?



All those lovely bots.... You did know they were not humans right, right?

Oh you didn't know.

How terribly sad for you



How is it any different today? Besides the names of the bots being less creative and there being half as many as before in local?
Poddington Bare
Infinite Destruction.
Unspoken Alliance.
#3267 - 2015-12-31 11:16:33 UTC
King Aires wrote:
How is it any different today? Besides the names of the bots being less creative and there being half as many as before in local?


How is it any different?

The names of the bots are less creative and there are half as many as before.
Dalto Bane
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3268 - 2015-12-31 11:23:22 UTC
If you listen to all the forum posts since 2003, you would know that Eve has been dying since it was created.Roll


It has, and will continue to fluctuate during the year, and spike when something hits mainstream media that concerns Eve Online, like B-R. Pay no mind to the "Repent now, the end is near" talk..

Drops Mic

Samir Duran Xadi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3269 - 2015-12-31 11:42:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Samir Duran Xadi
Dalto Bane wrote:
If you listen to all the forum posts since 2003, you would know that Eve has been dying since it was created.Roll


It has, and will continue to fluctuate during the year, and spike when something hits mainstream media that concerns Eve Online, like B-R. Pay no mind to the "Repent now, the end is near" talk..


There hasn't been any spikes for nearly 3 years now. The next dip should be in the summer and we could be seeing 20k prime-time peaks next year this time. After that its a major downhill, the sandbox cant work with such low numbers. Unless, citadels save the day but I highly doubt it given CCPs recent track record.

Free to play in 2017 is my prediction.
Miles Parabellum
Core Collapse Inc
#3270 - 2015-12-31 11:55:43 UTC
Eve, the original Netflix show.
Make it happen P
Dalto Bane
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3271 - 2015-12-31 12:34:25 UTC
Samir Duran Xadi wrote:
Dalto Bane wrote:
If you listen to all the forum posts since 2003, you would know that Eve has been dying since it was created.Roll


It has, and will continue to fluctuate during the year, and spike when something hits mainstream media that concerns Eve Online, like B-R. Pay no mind to the "Repent now, the end is near" talk..


There hasn't been any spikes for nearly 3 years now. The next dip should be in the summer and we could be seeing 20k prime-time peaks next year this time. After that its a major downhill, the sandbox cant work with such low numbers. Unless, citadels save the day but I highly doubt it given CCPs recent track record.

Free to play in 2017 is my prediction.


I would rather pay a subscription for development toward a game I enjoy than not pay a subscription and watch them market micro-transactions as their only way to capitalize on their initial investment, turning it in to a pay-to-win that would eventually avert players who want to play to win. That is if it makes it that far with the astronomical amount of bots that would invade New Eden. Free to Play would destroy this game, and I really believe that.

Drops Mic

King Aires
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3272 - 2015-12-31 13:37:39 UTC
Dalto Bane wrote:
Samir Duran Xadi wrote:
Dalto Bane wrote:
If you listen to all the forum posts since 2003, you would know that Eve has been dying since it was created.Roll


It has, and will continue to fluctuate during the year, and spike when something hits mainstream media that concerns Eve Online, like B-R. Pay no mind to the "Repent now, the end is near" talk..


There hasn't been any spikes for nearly 3 years now. The next dip should be in the summer and we could be seeing 20k prime-time peaks next year this time. After that its a major downhill, the sandbox cant work with such low numbers. Unless, citadels save the day but I highly doubt it given CCPs recent track record.

Free to play in 2017 is my prediction.


I would rather pay a subscription for development toward a game I enjoy than not pay a subscription and watch them market micro-transactions as their only way to capitalize on their initial investment, turning it in to a pay-to-win that would eventually avert players who want to play to win. That is if it makes it that far with the astronomical amount of bots that would invade New Eden. Free to Play would destroy this game, and I really believe that.



Micro-transactions door were opened years ago and have been embraced with open arms. You don't know our playerbase anymore.

I am as guilty as any, I have hundreds of ship skins. I paid for them in-game but it still supported someone paying to get ahead with real money.

We slowly let CCP introduce things toxic to this game, Plex, Skins, Multi-Train. Now we are numb to SP swapping, SP buying, ship and module purchasing, all things coming in the future I promise.

So whether we keep the sub model or go f2p, micro-transactions are going to make this game look like Farmville over the next couple years. And we did it to ourselves.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3273 - 2015-12-31 14:24:23 UTC
Roll

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3274 - 2015-12-31 14:26:09 UTC
Miles Parabellum wrote:
Eve, the original Netflix show.
Make it happen P


Aye aye, cap'n.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#3275 - 2015-12-31 14:44:58 UTC
King Aires wrote:


Micro-transactions door were opened years ago and have been embraced with open arms. You don't know our playerbase anymore.

I am as guilty as any, I have hundreds of ship skins. I paid for them in-game but it still supported someone paying to get ahead with real money.

We slowly let CCP introduce things toxic to this game, Plex, Skins, Multi-Train. Now we are numb to SP swapping, SP buying, ship and module purchasing, all things coming in the future I promise.

So whether we keep the sub model or go f2p, micro-transactions are going to make this game look like Farmville over the next couple years. And we did it to ourselves.

The lengthy posts against the SP swapping idea tell us people are not numb to the idea.

Multi-train was already being done, and actually is more expensive than training on a separate account then transferring the character with 2 plex.
Skins give no in game advantage.
Plex actually help the game by combating gold selling which would have existed far more without plex and none of the money would have gone to CCP.

So none of the three things you have listed as already in game have anything in common with SP swapping/buying or ship buying directly with credit cards.
King Aires
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3276 - 2015-12-31 14:52:17 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
King Aires wrote:


Micro-transactions door were opened years ago and have been embraced with open arms. You don't know our playerbase anymore.

I am as guilty as any, I have hundreds of ship skins. I paid for them in-game but it still supported someone paying to get ahead with real money.

We slowly let CCP introduce things toxic to this game, Plex, Skins, Multi-Train. Now we are numb to SP swapping, SP buying, ship and module purchasing, all things coming in the future I promise.

So whether we keep the sub model or go f2p, micro-transactions are going to make this game look like Farmville over the next couple years. And we did it to ourselves.

The lengthy posts against the SP swapping idea tell us people are not numb to the idea.

Multi-train was already being done, and actually is more expensive than training on a separate account then transferring the character with 2 plex.
Skins give no in game advantage.
Plex actually help the game by combating gold selling which would have existed far more without plex and none of the money would have gone to CCP.

So none of the three things you have listed as already in game have anything in common with SP swapping/buying or ship buying directly with credit cards.



It is a process. And the introduction of ideas by CCP slowly, then eventually is common history.

Some would argue that Plex does the exact opposite of stemming the tide of isk selling because it gives people avenues to easily make money off this game through illegal processes. We can't get into depth without ISD jumping in.

And if you cant see how someone buying skin, that is then given isk for it isn't an advantage then I can't help you very much understand this game. Is it pay to win? nope. But it does give people a leg up and makes people appreciate the grind for assets less. (creating more instant gratification players).

Everything I have listed was a gateway to the eventuality that CCP will have a website where you can paypal your way into a nice shiny Rattlesnake, or Nyx, or whatever with a click of a button.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3277 - 2015-12-31 15:08:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
King Aires wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
King Aires wrote:


Micro-transactions door were opened years ago and have been embraced with open arms. You don't know our playerbase anymore.

I am as guilty as any, I have hundreds of ship skins. I paid for them in-game but it still supported someone paying to get ahead with real money.

We slowly let CCP introduce things toxic to this game, Plex, Skins, Multi-Train. Now we are numb to SP swapping, SP buying, ship and module purchasing, all things coming in the future I promise.

So whether we keep the sub model or go f2p, micro-transactions are going to make this game look like Farmville over the next couple years. And we did it to ourselves.

The lengthy posts against the SP swapping idea tell us people are not numb to the idea.

Multi-train was already being done, and actually is more expensive than training on a separate account then transferring the character with 2 plex.
Skins give no in game advantage.
Plex actually help the game by combating gold selling which would have existed far more without plex and none of the money would have gone to CCP.

So none of the three things you have listed as already in game have anything in common with SP swapping/buying or ship buying directly with credit cards.



It is a process.


Tell that to BioWare.

Then ask them what they're doing about all the new free accounts that get made every day for the express purpose of spamming players in SWTOR with links to goldbuying websites.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#3278 - 2015-12-31 15:09:12 UTC
Nonsense, you're just trying to use faulty logic again. We've always been FINE with Micro transactions as long as it's cosmetics and done in a reasonable manner. In fact we've been trying to encourage CCP to do more of it and to do it in a smarter and better focussed way. We've NEVER stated we'd be ok with P2W or P2A in fact we rallied against it numerous times.

You're just trying to piggyback onto the "see, we're ok with MT" to try and push the "I want P2A".
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3279 - 2015-12-31 15:19:21 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
Nonsense, you're just trying to use faulty logic again. We've always been FINE with Micro transactions as long as it's cosmetics and done in a reasonable manner. In fact we've been trying to encourage CCP to do more of it and to do it in a smarter and better focussed way. We've NEVER stated we'd be ok with P2W or P2A in fact we rallied against it numerous times.

You're just trying to piggyback onto the "see, we're ok with MT" to try and push the "I want P2A".


This a thousand times. Can't really elaborate more than this. MTs are fine. Pay-to-win is not.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

King Aires
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3280 - 2015-12-31 16:13:47 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
Nonsense, you're just trying to use faulty logic again. We've always been FINE with Micro transactions as long as it's cosmetics and done in a reasonable manner. In fact we've been trying to encourage CCP to do more of it and to do it in a smarter and better focussed way. We've NEVER stated we'd be ok with P2W or P2A in fact we rallied against it numerous times.

You're just trying to piggyback onto the "see, we're ok with MT" to try and push the "I want P2A".


This a thousand times. Can't really elaborate more than this. MTs are fine. Pay-to-win is not.



I can't elaborate on your failure to understand simple concepts.

But I can elaborate that in no way, shape or form is the community "FINE" with microtransactions. It was a slowly introduced feature that CCP continues to expand on, we have fought them every step of the way but they were smart enough to slowly put them in so the rage was minimal.

You do not get to be the voice of the people, just because you think you are more important than everyone else.