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Decline in numbers... starting to turn into RAPID!!!

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MidnightWyvern
Fukamichi Corporation
SAYR Galactic
#3241 - 2015-12-30 05:24:55 UTC
Avvy wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
I'm just proud to be on page 1 of this thread.

and this one



That's nothing to be proud of.

I'm on page 1 of this thread too.

I guess I'll just be the guy dropping in occasionally in sitcom fashion to cry "You're all still here?!"

I mean, it was really obvious from CCP Seagull announcing the return of bi-annual expansions that CCP realized the lack of big-ticket releases was a major factor in losing the attention of some of the playerbase and in new players not being attracted.

That would seem to indicate they realize one of the core issues and are working on it.

That's not to say I expect this thread to ever die though. This thread will probably be around right up until some distant time in the future when EVE finally closes down. I guess it'd be kind of funny if on that day 10+ years down the road the OP came back and ended the thread with "I told you so!".

Rattati Senpai noticed us! See you in the next FPS!

Alts: Saray Wyvern, Mobius Wyvern (Dust 514)
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#3242 - 2015-12-30 07:38:20 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
The game has changed little from my point of view ... yet here I am, playing again with 3 accounts...

Hahahahahahaha xD


I hope you appreciate the irony that I am a better customer for CCP by playing the game "wrong" than you are by playing it "right"...
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3243 - 2015-12-30 08:02:44 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
The game has changed little from my point of view ... yet here I am, playing again with 3 accounts...

Hahahahahahaha xD


I hope you appreciate the irony that I am a better customer for CCP by playing the game "wrong" than you are by playing it "right"...


I hope you appreciate the irony of that massive assumption that Sol doesn't have twice as many accounts as you.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Solecist Project
#3244 - 2015-12-30 09:52:57 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
The game has changed little from my point of view ... yet here I am, playing again with 3 accounts...

Hahahahahahaha xD


I hope you appreciate the irony that I am a better customer for CCP by playing the game "wrong" than you are by playing it "right"...

I don't waste my time playing easy stuff like you do.
I don't play isolated, crap missions or hauling, like you do.

You are just an unknown carebear who may throw his cash at CCP.
I create more content for a dozen people in a night, compared to you in a month!


The fact that you have three accounts ... hahahaha ...
... does not change that I am the better player, because I don't isolate myself from others!


Seriously, has it finally dawned onto you wtf is going on in your brain?
Will you allow reality to finally settle into your perception?
Or will you just keep forever twisting words and facts YOUR OWN ACTIONS DON'T EVEN SUPPORT?


You are *just* a carebear!
Start accepting it and go back into your cave.
You are done!



Have a nice day. :)

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3245 - 2015-12-30 10:06:21 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
The game has changed little from my point of view ... yet here I am, playing again with 3 accounts...

Hahahahahahaha xD


I hope you appreciate the irony that I am a better customer for CCP by playing the game "wrong" than you are by playing it "right"...

I don't waste my time playing easy stuff like you do.
I don't play isolated, crap missions or hauling, like you do.

You are just an unknown carebear who may throw his cash at CCP.
I create more content for a dozen people in a night, compared to you in a month!


The fact that you have three accounts ... hahahaha ...
... does not change that I am the better player, because I don't isolate myself from others!


Seriously, has it finally dawned onto you wtf is going on in your brain?
Will you allow reality to finally settle into your perception?
Or will you just keep forever twisting words and facts YOUR OWN ACTIONS DON'T EVEN SUPPORT?


You are *just* a carebear!
Start accepting it and go back into your cave.
You are done!



Have a nice day. :)


And no one likes an overblown ego, overestimating its own worth . Even if one does not agree with another poster one should try to remain polite.

"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3246 - 2015-12-30 11:07:28 UTC
Buzz Orti wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
...
CCP have been trying to create other games than EVE since at least 2008, when the Dust project started. No company wants to be reliant on selling a single product, and CCP are going to keep trying to create new games for as long as they're able to.

+ The CCP card game ...
2007



I miss that one :(

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Solecist Project
#3247 - 2015-12-30 11:11:45 UTC
sero Hita wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
The game has changed little from my point of view ... yet here I am, playing again with 3 accounts...

Hahahahahahaha xD


I hope you appreciate the irony that I am a better customer for CCP by playing the game "wrong" than you are by playing it "right"...

I don't waste my time playing easy stuff like you do.
I don't play isolated, crap missions or hauling, like you do.

You are just an unknown carebear who may throw his cash at CCP.
I create more content for a dozen people in a night, compared to you in a month!


The fact that you have three accounts ... hahahaha ...
... does not change that I am the better player, because I don't isolate myself from others!


Seriously, has it finally dawned onto you wtf is going on in your brain?
Will you allow reality to finally settle into your perception?
Or will you just keep forever twisting words and facts YOUR OWN ACTIONS DON'T EVEN SUPPORT?


You are *just* a carebear!
Start accepting it and go back into your cave.
You are done!



Have a nice day. :)


And no one likes an overblown ego, overestimating its own worth . Even if one does not agree with another poster one should try to remain polite.

Yeah I let myself get carried away by this hilarious plot twist regarding her. ^_^

Nonetheless is being polite worth nothing when it comes to people who hide behind words.

She deserves every smack she can get for her behaviour ...
... especially because I could as well go after her chars ingame.

Which I don't do, even if that makes no sense to anyone but myself.

Just look at her posts. You call me out for my ego?
Even after her self defeat she attempts to make herself look better than she is,
just because she can't take the obvious truth that's right in front of her face.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3248 - 2015-12-30 12:10:23 UTC  |  Edited by: sero Hita
Solecist Project wrote:

Just look at her posts. You call me out for my ego?
Even after her self defeat she attempts to make herself look better than she is,
just because she can't take the obvious truth that's right in front of her face.



It is easy to get carried away on the internet :D especially because there is a lot of technically bad discussion techniques going on. That is frustrating.

The ego thing, was mostly due to your claim of why you are more worth than her for the game. (I confess your one meta post about how you see yourself also did not help on this impression Smile ).

I also object to the notion that people should be treated according to their "worth" in EVE. I object to that you can estimate the worth of a person in EVE and I think diversity is good for EVE, be it PVP'ers/PVE'ers or strict PVE'ers.

I know she kinda tricked your response out of you (by first claiming she has more worth), hoping you would make a unsympathetic post, letting you bury your own grave. Which you did a little bit. People stop listening to people who make too extreme statements. So just think about that.

What I personally don't appreciate is when people make a lot of statements on faulty data (Which Indah is guilty of IMO by extrapolating data from a subpopulation to count for the whole population). I have told her earlier on in this thread, and hope it will sink in at some point.

If she can't take the "obvious truth in front of her face,"(let's assume such a thing exist) the polite thing would be to let her get there at her own speed. Or keep calm with persuasive arguments. Forcing revelations(true or not, objectively speaking) on people will just get them in the defense where they stop thinking, and not process the information at hand.

"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
Solecist Project
#3249 - 2015-12-30 12:21:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
You don't know her. One talk with her, mentioning gankers,
seeing her insane, hatefull reaction, is enough to realize she won't get anywhere.
Her posts, full of delusions, show further that she is incapable of realizing herself.


You didn't like my thread? Ot barely got posts, even though it's actually current.
And all I did was wanting to know what people would do. How and what they would want.

Instead, though, people will forever be slaves to those who troll them into responses ...
... and keep pushing some useless agenda.

I strongly doubt her post was about getting me to post what I did.

It's more likely, based on her general behaviour, that she wrote it to feel better about herself.
You're absolutely free to go through her posting history to verify that for yourself.
It's there. Funny bits, some subtle, some more obvious.

Being polite is useless when people twist reality with words and use passive aggressiveness ...
... which I admit I only observed once from her in recent times.


Anyhow... let's give her some time to catch herself again.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Blueprint Buyer
Doomheim
#3250 - 2015-12-30 12:35:35 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
You don't know her.

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuking, wut wut
Spurty
#3251 - 2015-12-30 12:52:36 UTC
This thread no longer even about the rapid demise of eve online.

Perhaps it died several weeks ago.

Golf clap to the mods. All the new accounts coming here seeing this as the headline to general discussion.

Open a new one or "stay on target red leader"

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

Built by CCP
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#3252 - 2015-12-30 14:02:09 UTC
Commander Spurty wrote:
This thread no longer even about the rapid demise of eve online.

Perhaps it died several weeks ago.

Golf clap to the mods. All the new accounts coming here seeing this as the headline to general discussion.

Open a new one or "stay on target red leader"


Don't worry, I am waiting to the end of year to make the last message about yearly averages 2004-(soon)2015.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#3253 - 2015-12-30 14:28:20 UTC
sero Hita wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
The game has changed little from my point of view ... yet here I am, playing again with 3 accounts...

Hahahahahahaha xD


I hope you appreciate the irony that I am a better customer for CCP by playing the game "wrong" than you are by playing it "right"...

I don't waste my time playing easy stuff like you do.
I don't play isolated, crap missions or hauling, like you do.

You are just an unknown carebear who may throw his cash at CCP.
I create more content for a dozen people in a night, compared to you in a month!


The fact that you have three accounts ... hahahaha ...
... does not change that I am the better player, because I don't isolate myself from others!


Seriously, has it finally dawned onto you wtf is going on in your brain?
Will you allow reality to finally settle into your perception?
Or will you just keep forever twisting words and facts YOUR OWN ACTIONS DON'T EVEN SUPPORT?


You are *just* a carebear!
Start accepting it and go back into your cave.
You are done!



Have a nice day. :)


And no one likes an overblown ego, overestimating its own worth . Even if one does not agree with another poster one should try to remain polite.


The funniest thing with Sol is that he doesn't understands what's going on each time he chases me around the forums. The very idea that other people see the world with different eyes is completely alien to him. vºv

"According to my EVE-o-meter, you are not as worthy as me!"
"I don't measure people's worth based on how do the play games"
"That's because you're not worthy!"

Roll
Solecist Project
#3254 - 2015-12-30 14:49:10 UTC

1. I don't chase you. One more delusion, carebear?

2. Your or my own opinion about the world are irrelevant. What matters is actual reality. Facts. Data.
Not some twisted, biased view of that data. Nope.

Using "i see the world differently" to justify your delusions doesn't really change anything about your delusions.

Oh btw... thanks for running three accounts. :)
I'm sure it helps getting your point across. (:

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3255 - 2015-12-30 14:54:13 UTC
Commander Spurty wrote:
This thread no longer even about the rapid demise of eve online.

Perhaps it died several weeks ago.

Golf clap to the mods. All the new accounts coming here seeing this as the headline to general discussion.

Open a new one or "stay on target red leader"



If you go a couple of pages back, I already mentioned that it is not rapid anymore when looking at ACU (for the last 6 months), so this thread ought to be closed. I was then jumped by people who proclaimed I really ment there had never been a decline in numbers. meh.. but yes the circle arguments are strong in this thread.

The only reasonable reason this thread is still around, I suspect, is due to the reason Solecist Project speculated in another thread:
- lightning rod, to keep all the crazies(my self included Big smile) in one place. Combined with the fear of people screaming censorship.


And as such it is working fine. I also don't think this thread scares people off. If you go through there are actually good arguments hiding in between all the crazy, going in both directions. All the EVE critical statements are being adressed by people being more positive towards EVE. The amount of EVE positive people in this thread outweight the ones negative towards EVE. So I am sure that ISD sees it as no threat. it is pretty balanced. Had it been 163 pages of negativity it would have been closed for " post constructively".

What CCP has here is 163 pages, because there are people defending them. This is the best advertisment you can get Big smile


"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
Solecist Project
#3256 - 2015-12-30 15:12:39 UTC
You're smart. (:
Don't let the forum's addictive negativity ever infect you. :)

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3257 - 2015-12-30 15:57:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Solecist Project wrote:
You're smart. (:
Don't let the forum's addictive negativity ever infect you. :)


When you're right, you're right.

It's easy to let a few of the negative nancies around here get you down. It doesn't help that they're wrong on the internet, either. Conventional wisdom is to ignore them, but internet wisdom demands we defend to the death our point of view, regardless of its accuracy. We're all guilty of it, and we're all guilty of perpetuating the negativity by giving it a breeding ground when we reply to it, but this whole threads been going around in circles for days now because "DOOM" "no u" "DOOM" "uh, you're not listening, i said no u" and etc and etc. It's time to let it die in the grave it was destined for.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#3258 - 2015-12-30 16:53:25 UTC
sero Hita wrote:
If you go a couple of pages back, I already mentioned that it is not rapid anymore when looking at ACU (for the last 6 months), so this thread ought to be closed. I was then jumped by people who proclaimed I really ment there had never been a decline in numbers. meh.. but yes the circle arguments are strong in this thread.
If it were to be closed, someone would just start up a new similar thread and the same would happen. At least by having this one open they can divert anyone trying to open a new one here. If they kept closing too many of them the risk is that people would go off somewhere much more public

sero Hita wrote:
All the EVE critical statements are being adressed by people being more positive towards EVE. The amount of EVE positive people in this thread outweight the ones negative towards EVE. So I am sure that ISD sees it as no threat. it is pretty balanced. Had it been 163 pages of negativity it would have been closed for " post constructively".
I wouldn't say all of them are being addressed. Sure, they have "positive" people arguing against them but it's not like someone shows up and says "ACU has halved" then someone goes "NOPE I LOVE EVE" and that's that.

The way I see it, both extremes are as bad as each other. Overly negative people are acting like the game is already over, while the overly positive people are pretending that there are zero issues. There obviously are some issues with player retention and server population, and I just wish CCP would be a bit more open with their plans and overall direction. And over all if EVE sticks around for ages, great! If not, it's not the end of the world.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#3259 - 2015-12-30 20:50:45 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
The game has changed little from my point of view ... yet here I am, playing again with 3 accounts...

Hahahahahahaha xD


I hope you appreciate the irony that I am a better customer for CCP by playing the game "wrong" than you are by playing it "right"...


Out of interest, just how many times is it that you've unsubscribed now? I counted 3 from a quick search but I feel like I've probably missed at least 1, maybe 2.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#3260 - 2015-12-30 20:53:34 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
The game has changed little from my point of view ... yet here I am, playing again with 3 accounts...

Hahahahahahaha xD


I hope you appreciate the irony that I am a better customer for CCP by playing the game "wrong" than you are by playing it "right"...


Out of interest, just how many times is it that you've unsubscribed now? I counted 3 from a quick search but I feel like I've probably missed at least 1, maybe 2.


You should read what I answer to your questions... you already asked that and already was answered. vºv