EVE General Discussion

You know, I was just contemplating making a post about how this whole thread had become entrenched in ideology and rhetoric, with facts being twisted instead of presented. You've more or less beat me to it.

I cannot believe that the only people who want to play a game like Eve are the people currently here. There are plenty more people out there who want to play the "true Eve" of being an adult and taking responsibility for your own development and actions. The challenge for CCP is to identify and lure these people in...not soften the game to a point where it's rubbish for the old hands, and shiny-bling for the one-week-attention-span crowd.

Eve is more like a hobby than a game, more like a relationship or marriage than a one-night-stand. I once heard compromise in a relationship described as "fine, let's do what neither of us want". What Eve needs to do is marry more people who'll take it just the way it is. Anyone who marries you then tries to change you...well, few marriages survive that.

Actually, you said it better than I ever could. I hate when that happens. And lol at the marriage reference, "lets do what neither of us wants" had me explaining to my wife why I was pointing and laughing at a computer screen so hard

I'm with you, I have long said CCP should stop advertising to mmo gamers and start looking for people who actually like challenge, people who don't need to be told they are an epic 'hero', people who don't need an 'immersive experience' to escape a hum drum life, but rather hobbyists who like what EVE offers (folks like many of us already here).



+1 again, but the thing is that EVE 'selling out' (trying to soften EVE on the stupid theory that "if the barriers were just a little lower, people would stay') doesn't even work that way. 'They' Think it does which is why they like it (because they hate vets and their supposed entrenched power and advantage).

-It doesn't become rubbish for older players, it becomes way easier (example, SP boosts just makes it easier to make utility and ganking alts while doing nothing for 'new players')

-While at the exact same time is still falls WAY short of where the low attention span audience would need it to be for them to stay for a little while (because a lowered barrier is still a barrier, low attention span players want NO barrier, which is why Free to play games work, these people will pay to remove any barrier).

CCP should move EVE in the exact opposite direction of what people in this thread want. Build on EVE's cult reputation, restore it's challenge (they can start by nixing half of these awful "safety pop ups" that prevent people from making the kinds of memorable mistakes that I made in 2007, mistakes that created in me a NEED to get better and learn more about the game) and reject the 'easy to learn, hard to master' ideal that NEVER works out . Oh and again, stop advertising to people who expect free to play hand holding (ie MMO players)

CCP have been trying to create other games than EVE since at least 2008, when the Dust project started. No company wants to be reliant on selling a single product, and CCP are going to keep trying to create new games for as long as they're able to.

I think there is a measurable difference between the horrible days of 2010, when they were pouring almost everything into Dust and WoD (and what effort was going into EVE was going into the Incarna project) and now, when they're evidently being much more conservative with the levels of resources they're putting into their new projects, and putting way more effort into EVE, as witnessed by the breakneck pace of change in EVE over the last 3 years.

+ The CCP card game ...
2007

Question for the masses -

Would you continue to play Eve if CCP stopped all production with the current game and left the players with the tools that are currently within the sandbox? No more additions, no more expanded space, no more ships, no more skills - no more anything except let the game ebb and flow based upon the players' interactions with what is currently available.

A sandbox without the continuing expanding walls to allow more sand.

Sure.

Even if I didn't log in very often, I still have years worth of gametime stacked up in my hangars without needing to spend real cash.

Mr Epeen

I would campaign against such abandonment, but probably would keep playing EVE. The game has changed little from my point of view and yet here I am, playing again with 3 accounts...

I am a game cactus and have been living on little water for years since Incarnageddon. Certainly could keep doing for a few years more. El que resiste, gana.

Nope.

I've been here going on 12 years. I keep coming back for the updates. With no updates, the game grows stale. Players alone are not enough to keep me coming back. This is because players are ignorant, ill-informed, chaotic and hard to please. We need developers to sift through all the madness, decide what's best for everyone and update the game.

You remove that, we die.

and this one

yuh-huh.