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It's simple economics son. I don't understand it at all!

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#21 - 2015-12-18 18:42:16 UTC
Paul Pohl wrote:
I don't see what there is not to understand

Whoever is selling these things to you, either doesn't care about the money, just wants to build them, or is getting the materials at a far cheaper rate than your calculations and is therefore making a healthy profit


Why not sell the minerals at higher prices?

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Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#22 - 2015-12-18 19:05:54 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Paul Pohl wrote:
I don't see what there is not to understand

Whoever is selling these things to you, either doesn't care about the money, just wants to build them, or is getting the materials at a far cheaper rate than your calculations and is therefore making a healthy profit


Why not sell the minerals at higher prices?



The ship takes up less space than the materials
Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2015-12-19 19:20:07 UTC
Edwin Rothbard wrote:
When did "I make my own PI" and "I manufacture my components" join "I mine the minerals so they are free" to become the prevailing economic wisdom in EVE?

...

Also, mine minerals so that you don't have to buy them from someone else, thus, are no longer free for them (since they'd make a potential profit from you).

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#24 - 2015-12-20 04:22:32 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Paul Pohl wrote:
I don't see what there is not to understand

Whoever is selling these things to you, either doesn't care about the money, just wants to build them, or is getting the materials at a far cheaper rate than your calculations and is therefore making a healthy profit


Why not sell the minerals at higher prices?


There is also a possible time value of money aspect as well.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#25 - 2015-12-24 19:27:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
It's always a dangerous assumption to believe people are too dumb. Usually it's true, but in certain fields there might be somebody who is outplaying even the wise guy who checks materials price.

Now I don't really play so I did not check, but in the past I'd do:

1) Purchase and resale of stuff for well below production cost. Items DO come for close to free sometimes (pirate dumping loot).
To a station trader, it does not matter whether an item is largely below production cost, he cares to resell it for higher than he purchased it for, that's it. Somebody, along the buy/sell chain that led do said station trader stock, lost money... the station trader does not care, he buys at X and sells at X + Y, he's focused on Y.

2) Speaking of pirates, there's the simple fact that many professions create minerals as byproduct or can create so much ISK that those minerals (or modules then bought and melted and resold by reproccers) basically just pad up the real income.
A guy making say 80M per hour with PvE, is not exactly going to care if he's dumping excess loot at a mediocre price. He saves switching ship and wasting 15 minutes to fly to a better station by making 20M in those 15 minutes. Who cares if he's losing 2M because the station prices are not so good.

3) Another thing I have done on a massive scale, is to purchase hundreds of billions worth of stuff during the summer (prices used to tank wheh I did that) and then dump that stuff close to Christmas.
To somebody using a "materials calculator" app it'll sound like I am losing say 3% ("he's dumb!"), whereas I am gaining 30% with all of about 10 minutes of effort every 6 months. The materials calculator is not going to reveal this price history.
Adunh Slavy
#26 - 2015-12-29 21:43:30 UTC
Edwin Rothbard wrote:

Admittedly I've never been much of a manufacturer, but I recently stumbled on an item in jita that doesn't make any sense. Using perfect T1 and T2 prints the inputs total 360m in jita for production. This excludes build fees, system cost index fees, pos fuel, brokers fees, taxes, and time to build the items. Plus the upfront cost of the T1 and T2 bpos.

Producing from invented prints can add another 20m to the price tag + the cost of the bpc.

Yet when I look at the units for sale in the forge (nearly all in jita 4-4) virtually every single one of them is listed at a loss. There are multiple sell orders at 314m and the buy orders are at 300m even. How is this even possible?



It makes perfect sense. What does not make sense is assuming that the cost to build something has anything to do with what someone else will pay for the finished product.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt

Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2016-01-01 01:30:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Buzz Orti
say enemy A's philosophy is to sell products to invest in war efforts, mercs and what not.

by producing item 'B' with resouces 'C', A does not get the ISK from you he used to, which in turn he used to bash you over the head with, cybernetics boosters may vary.

So, do you lose 10,000% profit or make 20,000% by investing more wisely, and avoiding loss of spoils of war?



Edit:
This is not a good example because you can't buy resources 'C' if the seller or source of 'C' is allied with A.

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