EVE General Discussion

The number that matters is the one at the top, EVE subscriptions. It's in a good place. Any profit loss or gain at the bottom has to take a number of other factors into consideration, including how much CCP spent on R&D, which was substantial. Even if they lost money in 2014 though, subscriptions were healthy. Very healthy.

The only reason that is ever posted is to show that "EVE is dying" because CCP is losing money. Well, all it does is prove that lots of people are still subscribed to EVE and love it, and that it's as healthy now, if not healthier, as when CCP was making a profit. What CCP chooses to do with their money as a result of that is up to them as a company, and given their previous huge profits, even a net loss of 49% wouldn't hurt their reserves accumulated from previous profits.

Operating profit margin, though, is not net profit. And it's the operating profit of CCP as a whole, including R&D costs put into other games, not an indicator of the health of EVE Online.

For the record, this is an edited financial statement on a personal blog with no citation to the original. Let that sink in a moment as well. But if we're going by that financial statement as accurate, all it says is if CCP goes under, it'll be because of Dust and Valkyrie, not EVE.

I've edited my post above with some elaboration on a few points.

I may be wrong about what I'm reading about CCP's profits, but they still don't mean EVE is struggling, and they also don't mean CCP is struggling. I've managed enough businesses to understand that a loss in profit says nothing to the health of the business overall. Could just mean we had a slow month.

Additionally, I cannot emphasise this enough and I know you're already aware, but this figure he's using to speak to the health of the game says nothing to the health of the game. In 2009, EVE subs were 51,782.4, while operating profit was positive. 2014, EVE was even stronger with negative operating profit. If the two are directly associated, then that means CCP is losing money with MORE subscriptions? No, he can get out with that nonsense.

If CCP is losing money, it's because they're investing in new games. That's the cost of doing business, you spend money to make money.

Ferrari is selling more than just sports cars. They make quite a lot from licensed products.

$ 1.5 billion in 2010 from licensed products (see link above) is not bad compared to what they make overall (PDF 2010 financial report FIAT see page 41 for Ferrari)

So basically Ferrari is making more money off of people who can't afford the cars, than it is from people buying their cars.

Then can you explain it in simple terms that CCP are losing money, based on everything in that data?

Ok, so nothing constructive then? Just the typical snipe at someone for no purpose other than feeling elite about yourself.

Fair enough.

Fair call. I'm certainly more used to seeing people post CCP financials as 'proof' that EVE is dying. Call it a knee-jerk on this one. My bad.

Sheesh. Reporting someone for agreeing with you? That's new.

Mr Epeen

Concerning CCP's financials, 2014 was an atypical year since they derecognized WoD and that made a -22 million $ hit in their financials. As for 2015, we know that they spent an estimate of 16 million dollars to buy back their bonds, which has removed the need to reelase their financial statements. Also we know that CCP has obtained 30 million dollars to develop VR projects of which we know very little beyond some prototypes shown at Fanfest and Vegas.

Depending on how VR pans out, CCP's prospects in the short and middle term look in a range going from "fine enough" to "oh my God".

But that's because of VR products, not EVE; and so far, EVE still is the cash cow for everything else. I don't think that DUST 514 has paid itself back, no matter if 3,000 guys online pay for the operational cost so it is not losing money.

good year? you take exactly the year publicly known for being a disaster and forcing them to close offices and fire people as example? Surely they are not the size of EA, but a company is not only the size.

Lucas, for future reference... I can see that you've posted and I know you're trying to address me but I have your posts hidden, and I won't be unhiding them. I don't know what you've said, and I don't care. In my experience, it's entirely irrelevant dribble anyway. Your propensity for denying simple facts and making assumptions that run completely contrary to easily available evidence, while denying the evidence using half-baked tin-foil exaggerations, is on par with a 9/11 "twoofer" and as such, I've become slightly more partial to sitting down and having a friendly coffee with Germany's greatest supervillain than ever having to mentally digest your hyperbolic diarrhea ever again.