Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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First the tactical destroyers are a problem, now command destroyers are a problem and people complain about the solution..

You crazy kids really don't know what you want..

/whisper.. "We want a Confessor with a scram on..."

Sorry for asking this but what does an ancillery armor rep have to to with a text and a compact disk with an "op"? Just need a clarification.

I'm genuine curious.

gimme iwin button

In 00 you may have counters, but have you seen what is possible in wspace with them?!
Of course due to lower numbers, it's rare to see more than 2-4 of them in a Fleetfight, however what are you doing if
1. your subcaps get MJDg away from your Triage?
2. your logis get MJDg away from your fleet?

Wspace doesn't have that much Pilots to have anti-CD-Interceptors on standby, in fact there were people saying a single hic might do the job .... a single Jammgu disagreed (Failcons work great too!).
in lower Numbers they're incredible difficult to counter, but also such an awesome toy to use against the blob :/

So yes in Theory in a perfect world you have scrambchains, anti-tackle on standby etc, but that's kinda difficult to setup in wspace, we use way too much neuting and ecm there to hunt our prey (unlike 00 with their high DPS in Fleets of >150), which is the counter to counter CDs, so now we have to bring the counter for CDs, together with the counter of hostiles counter to our counter?!
*starts recruiting again, sigh*

See, not long ago I asked to keep acronyms at a minimum and I am used to "aar" meaning ancillery armor rep. Now it makes sense to me too.

And Riot Girl, glad to see you back!

A HAC/Lachesis/T3/HIC cannot lock and scram a command destroyer doing its MJD from 105km away bringing a 2nd command destroyer that lands on you with 1s left on its timer.

I do not have 105km scrams. I also dont have the alpha in my small gangs to kill a 25-30k EHP ship with a small sig within 5 seconds at 105km. 5 Seconds is not long when you factor in you need to spot the ship on overview, lock it, broadcast and kill its EHP all within 5s.

Also if someone drops several command destroyers we cant lock and scram them all perfectly, we are not supercomputers that have the ability to make sure we have all scrammed different guys within 5s. There is a very high chance we will miss one and this is all that is needed.

We have used scram chains within our fleet, but as this means we are all scramming each other, we are giving up ALOT of mid slots to counter one ship that the enemy can field. No other ship has this power. Also the scram chain can easily be broken by neuts and jams, so its a fairly crap counter in my opinion.

The only counter i have currently which actually works is for every ship in my fleets to drop a cyno. Which is ridiculous.

So, we can drop cynos and anchor ourselves in place, only fly fast nano kiting ships or fly 100% capital gangs.

so if you use solo bs then how command destroyer can prevent you soloing? or did you ment that you can not deagro anymore and run like little girls do?

I just meant if people are going to be penalised for using numbers, that will increase the relative power of the solo player.

If its a group fight some will escape, the destroyer will not scram several. If it is 1v1.. a Battleship with a half a brain can force a CD to its knees... Having a counters does nto mean somethign that works 100% of time, that would be to make the ship useles..