Player Features and Ideas Discussion

They promised me they`d change the Forum name! Damn!!!

Not!

CCP actually asked me to post here..No really! Got a mail from them!

But on a positive note...most people appear to be having a Ranting good time and the feedback is awesome...

...so maybe the title should be changed!

What mining ships need is to be treated equally with slots and PG/CPU with ships of their class and have the ability to fit unbonused weapons of their class without nerfing their mining.

I.E. Imagine a Covetor with 6 highs, 4 mids, 4 lows (14 slots) like a cruiser. I'd personally call barges BC's as they should be big vessels, but lets use cruisers for now.
Hardcap it to 3 strip miners like Command Links are capped on CS. You could even allow a mining coprocessor if you really insisted but I wouldn't bother personally. Then give it 4 turret/launcher slots.
It can now fit a prop mod, it can now fit a serious active tank, it can fit a buffer, it can fight rats.



This allows several follow on effects to occur.

Belt rats in highsec can stop being a total joke and become a challenge. This increases diversity in highsec of income sources even if it's not great income, and increases attentiveness of miners.
Miners get used to the idea that even miners have to fight and this helps train them for fighting other players as it means they aren't in a weaponless pacifistic mindset.
It means escorts aren't required. While escorts are great in theory in reality it's even more boring than mining. But a mining fleet becomes their own escorts by sheer number of guns on the grid even if each of them is less effective compared to a real combat ship. This then increases fun when the miners are attacked as they feel like they can fight back and do some damage.
It creates fitting trade offs in a far more interesting manner, since they now have a bunch of different pressures on their fits rather than not having the room to fit anything so the only valid choice is MLU's.

The procurers and skiffs have formidable drone bays and plenty of slots to play with. They get more dps from them than they would unbonused guns. They can fit prop mods. They can fit buffer. These are the barges YOU should use. But for other people who want to mine afk or sacrifice everything for extra yield then they also have choices.

Not every barge needs to be able to defend themselves if their owners are willing to sacrifice protection for other benefits.

Now tell me how many 'effective' turrets a cruiser has.
Also why not? I've given a good bunch of 'why's' that this would be a good change. You are arguing on the 'but miners have to be helpless targets' mentality simply because that's the way it has been without looking at player fun overall.

And yes I have looked at the Proc/Skiff, and it could be in drones that they get the DPS but they still don't have the fittings in either slots or PG/CPU to do anything.
And the point behind turret slots was to create counterweights. Note how to actually fit 4 turrets you would have to sacrifice a strip miner with the numbers I posted. And not use any other utility highs which could be useful also.

And really, stop jumping from one extreme to another. I am not asking for highsec to get officer rats or several million isk bounty BS. I'm asking for it to get more than 10k frigates that die when you sneeze at them. When I say 'income' I'm only expecting maybe 20-30/hour (only if you intensive belt rat warping between belts to find all the spawns). Similar to mining, less than missions. It won't suddenly cause dramatic changes to high sec income, but it will diversify it and introduce people better to non mission income like exists in low & null. Or do you have something against people in highsec being able to make money other ways than missions, and competition with each other.

Highsec rats probably should get buffed. The fact that they're absurdly weak, infrequent and predictable is probably one of the major reasons AFK mining began to exist in the first place.

The problems with highsec gameplay are largely extremely predictable and not at all dangerous. At present a retriever can fight off every belt that ever spawns in any highsec belt with a single T1 drone. That level of threat doesn't exactly encourage attentiveness.

Lol what? So you expect the entire game to be updated within two years?? there are far more pressing matters that need your attention if you think 2 years is outdated.

Wardecs 2012
Planetary interaction 2009
Incursions 2013


Where as mining was 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015...

This. especially that last part for crying out loud. There are hundreds of ships in the game and thousands of modules, but somehow mining seems to get some attention every year.

FFS, battleships have been **** ever since the speed changes and there is nothing on the horizon to change this.

And here is a hint Thorn Davidus, in these forums it is considered poor form to post a topic that was recently discussed and subsequently locked. Especially if it is a topic that comes up somewhat frequently.

Maybe there needs to be an open Procurer or Skiff roam. I hear they are quite logi friendly.

Low sec gate camp with some decent logi support. Small signature too. Throw in the logi support and it would be hilarious seeing procurers and skiffs ganking stuff.

The problem is most HS miners sacrifice about 50% of their potential tank for a small gain in mining yield.

BTW, most suggestions to fix mining are terrible. Most of the suggestions are a mini-game. However, that is basically a bad idea. We are going to take a boring activity...add more complexity and it will suddenly become Fun™. And you'll get the same rewards you do now? Oh joy.

I have argued that perhaps...the thing that makes mining feasible in many players eyes is...that it is boring--i.e. a low demand activity one can do while working from home, watching Game of Thrones, doing chores around the house (swinging by the PC every now and then to re-position, re-start the lasers), etc.

People always want to make the most boring in game activity more complicated...but where does that get to be fun?

And there are tons of threads on this topic as well and most of them are better than this one in that at least the offer a suggestion, not a simple complaint.

Edit: Oh, and sometimes we get people saying the mini game will give you more ore or more ice....great. Lets reduce the price of ore and ice. Those who play the mini-game get more stuff--supply increases at all price levels, i.e., an outward shift in supply. Demand has not changed, so prices have to go down.