Player Features and Ideas Discussion

People who complain that new player systems aren't protected ...
... while not actually doing anything to "protect" in these new player systems ...
... and not providing *any* proof of it actually happening ...

... lack any believability what-so-ever.


I am glad that almost everyone around here is well aware of that ...
... and the haters keep wasting everyone's time for no gain at all.

Oh, this will be entertaining! After reading OP, I expect the responses will be...interesting.

It's bannable but it needs to be reported. Short of putting new characters in an instanced area for all of the tutorial stuff there will always be people that do this.

What if it was a new player doing the canbaiting?

Read the above post quote.

It clearly says "Disregarding warning to cease such behaviour".

Which to me tells that CCP don't hit you with the banhammer straight away.
They will ask you to move your activities to any other system first.

I understand the issues

But what are new players to do?

Either they join corp that has sent the ganker to 'impress them', and end up in gameplay that was never as intended - I'll point tot eh threas I recently read about a newb that somehow got themselves involved in faction warfare, in which the kill mails they received on undocking provided intel to the rest of the corp - or they quit the game on the logical assumption (based on other MMOs) that this is somehow part of the PVE

And let's not forget that there are parts of the tutorial in which CCP deliberately scam the new player - blow up the tower and the mission in which you fight 20 or so frigates but cannot warp out or win unless you are well into hull damage - none of which has anything to do with later game play

And it is not like this is secret..there are any number of corps that award medals for driving new players away in this fashion

But if new players don't know that this bannable or how to report it - then how are the morons that do it to be banned, or the players driven from the game, before they even started, to know to report it?

I don't agree with much the OP has to say - but this is such an obvious problem, and so easily solvable (heck, just tell the work placement guy to set up a new account and ban anyone who has flipped a can) that not even the most ship-balancing devs at CCP can ignore the blinking obvious...

Wrong Q.

The Q you should ask: What can WE (the community) do?


Answer:

Inform and teach new players how the game really works. Reach out to the new players, show them how wonderful the game is and what it has to offer.

The "Good" players are in far higher quantity then the "Bad" players that will ruin it for new players. Issue is that most of the people, expect that CCP does it and don't do anything themself to get new players settled in the game.

And how would a new player know that: Simple, it is listed in the Rookie Help as a link. Sure, CCP should make it even more clear that it is frowned upon, I totally agree.

Yes, I do think CCP should also make it even more clear that EVE has a forum, with a great community and in there, there is a special part for new players to ask their questions. And that part is also heavily moderated (Thank you ISD and the community team of CCP for all that hard work) so it is also very civilized.

All in all, CCP should make new players more aware of the existing community. And the existing community should put a little into getting those newbies in, it doesn't take much with such a big group to show new players, why we LOVE EVE and why they might fall in love with it too.



p.s. "Good" doesn't mean you should be a white knight. I know plenty of pirates and people who practise professions that are best done under the cover of darkness that are more then willing to help new players to get into the game.

I would just like to point out that less than 1% of account cancellations cite ship loss or harassment as the reason for leaving the game.

Don't let facts get in the way of someone's emotionalism and victimhood. ☺

I am trying to keep up with your meandering rhetoric, but it's mostly incoherent dribble that does not match what actually happens in EVE, so I'm going to give up. You seem to be asserting that CCP does nothing about people who bother new players in rookie systems - evidence will be required, if you don't mind, to prove this assertion and as it is the premise of what appears to be your problem, your problem is easy to dismiss as a personal one that no one needs to care about at all. Meaning if you leave, you won't be missed. The two new people I just finished showing some fundamentals of fitting have a very good attitude and are very keen to learn more about EVE, so your subscription money has already been replaced. Farewell, and good luck on WoW.