EVE General Discussion

It is all about questions and answers.

Question: what is the specialization faster to master for a single player?
Answer: Mining.

It haves the shortest skillqueues and the cheaper top ships. Of course it is a terrible advice for anyone who is not a miner... But it is a good advice for a player who doesn't knows the game, doesn't knows anybody in the game and is playing alone.

So mining is the faster and easiest big money for a noob... but is not a career for everybody and is not a career that leads to long tenures and high retention unless the player is a miner at heart.

Of course, there's real big moeny elsewhere. Mining is peanuts compared to nullsec PvE or highsec incursions. But those are activities that require knowing the right someone, which is not the case for a true noob who dons't knwos anybody and can't choose who is he going to meet and know.

The best advice, of course, would be "know someone and pray that he won't cheat you, that he won't be a loser in his trade, that he will be a good teacher and that you will enjoy whatever he teachs you".

Know someone and he leads you to a safari. Meeec, mistake! You lost EVE!
Know someone and he's a double tanker mission runenr. Meeec, mistake! You lost EVE!
Know someone and he's RL busy so he can only log in once in a blue moon. Meeec, mistake! You lost EVE!
Know someone and he's an a-hole who think you're stupid rather than green. Meeec, mistake! You lost EVE!
Know someone and he teachs you to WH but after 3 months you just hate the idea of login in to Anoikis... Meeec, mistake! You lost EVE!

Running blindfold through a forest, avoiding the trees until you reach the exit. That's how you suceed in EVE. And this situation is 100% CCP's doing. EVE is a social game where the best social players are rewarded inmensely (think of Mittens), but as in RL, the game is full of people who don't succeed at socializing. This is where EVE could make a difference by being fun and rewarding even to the socially less apt, since it is just a game. But somehow CCP decided that EVE would only make sense for the social winners and thus the socially inept are delivered a bad gaming experience.

It's not that EVE is better with friends. It's that "with friends" is the ONLY way in which EVE is rewarding.

And this all leads to loners suggesting other loners that mining is the easiest loner money in the game. Which is true but also is horribly wrong.

You can play with yourself if you wish but trust me, the more warm bodies, the better.

dafuq is a "friend?"

You did talk about finding them as if at the first sign of meeting someone 'undesirable' they're gonna quit. And yet here I am, despite falling for the goon's recruitment scam and losing 500mil in my early days. Again, this comes back to the only people who quit are the ones who were always going to, regardless of who they meet. The ones with a genuine interest in the game are the ones who stick around. They're the only ones this game needs to cater to, because they're the ones paying subscriptions. See, we were all new once, we weren't always vets you know. We all have to go through the same stuff. And here we are. Are we the truly last group of people to take a genuinely interest in this game? I'm gonna say it loud and proud: if we are, then we SHOULD let it die. I'd rather it die than become something it was never meant to be.

lol

I didn't ever suggest you didn't have a genuine interest in this game. I said people that were never going to get one aren't going to stick around, and creating artificial appeal that goes against the nature of EVE is not going to change that, all it does is change EVE. But here's the thing - what's good for you isn't always what's good for the game. I would love to be able to have the option to jump in a non-capsule version of one of our ships, take to the bridge, hire a crew, and go bareback, completely podless. I could also argue that the lore supports this with the tech used for Dust troopers - complete podless recloning. I don't, however, think it would be good for the game as a whole, though, because it would bloat the client with little more than a gimmick feature. None of my skills would apply to the ship, and all actions performed by that ship would require me to direct slow and inefficient crew to perform the task. PVP would be impossible, I'd basically just be a red cross on someone's overview.

Additionally, when you suggest changes to the game that might take away from existing features that people enjoy, or changes that alter the nature and conditions by which EVE exists, you are going to be criticised. People are listening to you, very carefully. Then they're criticising you because they don't like it. You should be prepared for the prior to submitting your ideas to public opinion to begin with.

You're right, CCP loses nothing reading what you have to say. The lose nothing by ignoring you, as well.

Yeah, as for this little gem, I think your double-standards are beginning to show. You constantly tell us to read your ideas when we clearly do, but when we tell you why they're bad for the game, you seem to choose not to pay much attention. YOU need to start listening to other people and STOP expecting to be listened to. If you expect to be a part of EVE's progress, that means working with other people and listening to what they want, not just trying to convince people of what YOU want. Then, you find a compromise, start a dialectic, and come to an agreement.

You should not be throwing stones from a glass house.

I'm not the one who should be afraid of undocking, you silly little carebear. :)

Hard words from someone who has unsubbed forever 3 times now, is it? 4?

Yet here you still are.