EVE General Discussion

Yea, it's easier, WAY easier than it was in the past. A small example is Tippia's new player skill plan just recently got both shorter AND cheaper.

The problem isn't how hard EVE is, it's the fact that no matter how easy you make it, it STILL won't appeal to dumb, lazy people ie most gamers. It was folly for CCP to try. What CCP should be doing is making the sandbox better for sandbox players (this does not mean just veterans, a real sandbox type player won't think twice about not being able to 'catch up' to veterans).

The bleeding heart types cling to the idea that if you just make it easier people will flock to the game. We have several years of proof that what happens in reality when CCP does this is that the game becomes less fun veterans while STILL being 'univiting' for most new players, because most new players need things EVE can't provide (like the feeling of being 'special') while still being EVE.

Another amusing thread

So there are negative reviews for Eve from the twitch hyper a.d.d chummies at steam. Oh be still my beating heart, the horror simply overwhelms me.

Eve is more than internet ships in space.

Its a community. Its a group of guys and girls spending time together in a virtual world of pretty much thier own creation. We plan together, build together and fly together. Ive even spent real time with people who before eve were total strangers but now feature on my besties list.

If you come in to the game with the attitude that it should all be handed to you on a silver platter, then you will not get to experience the interactions that makes eve special.

This game takes commitment, as well as possession of more than half a brain. Strangely enough for a computer game, you also need basic social skills, the ability to think strategically as well as tactically, and patience; lots and lots of patience. Ever wondered why a lot of serving and ex service types play eve? A good corp becomes your family, your muckers, your wingmen and women. You rely on them, they rely on you. BUT, come in with an attitude and they will kick you to the curb. Much like the military or a normal job.

But I pay for the game so it should be what i want it to be? Nah. No game can provide a perfect experience for everyone, but through attrition you attain a level where the game is near perfect for those who resubscribe.

Eve is "harsh" on new players. Ponder this for a moment; All players were new once, every single one of em, and if new players think its harsh now, well i'll let you into a little secret.. It's not as harsh as its been in the past. Incrementally CCP have made the game so much easier. Thats not bitter vet speak, thats a fact. Is this a good or a bad thing? Thats open to discussion.

For those complaining they have nothing to do while they skill up, i have nothing but derision. Go fly a piece of crap in a place you shouldnt be, and get the crap blown out of you while your skills increase. Trust me, its a rush, and fyi, your skill queue doesnt go inactive if you undock.

The problem with eve is not a problem with eve, its a problem with peoples feelings of entitlement and thier need for instant gratification coupled with a heavy dose of "penis" envy. The game is not about you, get over yourself and go join a frigfleet, or seriously go play something else.

I am Mithandra and i'm an Eve addict of long standing

Interesting... so adding more things to learn makes starting easier to the apprentices? Becoming a RL pilot in 2015 is easier than in 1915?

Probably because you now have a **** lod of stuff to help you learn that didn't exist back then. The new pilot in 1915 didn't get the same form of training as they do now. All the hours you can spend on simulator to learn to fly. How many would-be pilot died crashing on their first run and now don't because all you get is a computer report telling you you ****** up?

EVE used to be "here's a ship, you can do things with it".

I have a theory on why this has become so common; it basically boils down to selfishness and convenience. People are fundamentally selfish, it's just nature, but people should be taught not to be for a responsible society. In the past this was the job of parents or schools but now everyone is mollycoddled, leaving the selfish trait untouched. Media too prolongs this selfishness through shows about people driving around in their flash cars with all their cash saying to the audience "look at all this stuff I have and you dont, look how much fun I'm having". Ultimately people can put off growing up much longer and instead of trying to encourage them to, media takes the easy route and sinks to the lowest level.

These immature adults don't understand that other people exist in the same way as them, that they are not cardboard cutouts whose only purpose is to fill public places or cause problems in the "main character's" life. They also don't understand that sometimes you have to suffer inconveniences for a greater good, they see their immediate enjoyment as the greater good. Strangely enough it is exactly these immature adults who stand to benefit most from the life lessons that eve offers.

Becoming a real life pilot has nothing to do with playing Eve.

As a metaphor it misses the mark as there are no direct similarities to compare. Whether learning to fly a plane now is more difficult or not than learning in 1915 has no relationship to whether learning to play Eve now is easier or harder than in 2005.

I'm not a pilot so I can only imagine that there is more difficulty involved in becoming a pilot now, whereas Eve is easier to learn now than when I first played in 2004, but that's just a personal view.

Greater depth in the game =/= greater difficulty to learn

Oh there are similarities. In 1915 learning to fly was faster but dangerous, now it's safer but time consuming because there'a lot more things to learn.

Starting EVE in 2015 means starting a game where the list of things you don't know and can have you killed grows with each patch, and they favor people who already mastered PvP and just need ot update themselves. A new player doesn't even knows that there are patch notes and he should be reading them on top of all the other 200 things he needs to learn. The goalpost keeps moving each 5 weeks as complexity creeps. That is good for veterans since they move their asses, but also makes the game more difficult to learn to those who start with zero knowledge.

And with EVE being a PvP game, a new player just can't afford to ignore what the new ships/moudles/mechanics are... he must learn of them on top, I repeat, of everything else the vets needed to learn years ago. And the list just grows each 5 weeks.

Learning to fly in 2015 haves minimal chances to get you killed, compared to 1915. Aircraft are more reliable and are so sophisticate that many can be controlled with just a couple of LCD screens. But learning to fly one will take 15x more time than in 1915, even if you stick to single engine light aircraft... and that despite the massively greater education resources.

Learning to fly is safer, but not easier to learn. And EVE is not even safer.

Yep. You called it.

The EVE family feels it's their God given right to be the only ones who can (constantly) rage about the game they pay for. And then a third party review is found and , joke or not, humorous or serious, it is attacked with the religious fervor that only comes from the basement dwelling neckbeard that has only one game at a time on his/her hard drive.

Mr Epeen

Mostly 'peen himself!

except its not. As of Eve Vegas, EVE players have an average of 1.4 accounts. that means less them a mjorty of eve players have more then 1 account. So this statement is flat out wrong

oh and late to the party i guess