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Early game Eve Alt

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Justin Sollette
BLACKWATCH INC
#1 - 2015-12-22 17:39:09 UTC
Hi everyone,

I've only recently started playing EVE and I was wondering wheter it's a good idea to make an alt? At the moment I'm really insecure about wheter to go for a Miner or PVE Mission Runner account. So I figured, why not pay for a second account and do both?

However I was wondering if that's a smart thing to do and if A miner alt is good for a Mission Runner main or the other way around.

Thanks in advance!

J
Francis Raven
GeoCorp.
The Initiative.
#2 - 2015-12-22 17:48:21 UTC
Do an alt! Make a new email and send yourself a 30 day buddy invite. That way it's free for 30 days to get your alt going. If you chose to not run an alt, then you dont lose anything in the end.


Your mind might change on what you want to do. Mining is okay to do while relaxing, while PVE Mission running recquires more attention.
If you must chose between the two, I start off by mission running a bit. Level 3s and 4s (once you can do them) will be worth your while.
In the meantime, join a corporation and see if playing with them can sway you in one direction or the other.

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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-12-22 18:00:41 UTC
Why do you want to mine or mission with an alt, what is the goal? If the answer is ISK making, you are better off with spending the saved money on PLEX to fund your main.

I'm my own NPC alt.

Justin Sollette
BLACKWATCH INC
#4 - 2015-12-22 18:05:34 UTC
Well I basically want to do both for fun. I like mining, but I also really like mission running. However I'd rather specialize a character in something and therefore I thought it was better to get an alt. However a miner and mission runner can't really help each other like perhaps an Orca alt could help a miner, therefore I was slightly unsure wheter or not I should actually get an alt.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-12-22 18:16:41 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
If you have to ask us the question if you and when you need an alt?


Then you dont need one.
You will know when, if and what for you will need one


P.s.

A miner and mission runner can be the same character.

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Malbona Pomon
Petulant Luddite GmbH
#6 - 2015-12-22 18:27:36 UTC
Justin Sollette wrote:
However a miner and mission runner can't really help each other like perhaps an Orca alt could help a miner, therefore I was slightly unsure wheter or not I should actually get an alt.


Once you go down this path, forever will it dominate your destiny.


Alt away, just be aware of the dangers of "afk" mining... or missioning for that matter.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-12-22 18:29:54 UTC
Justin Sollette wrote:
Well I basically want to do both for fun. I like mining, but I also really like mission running. However I'd rather specialize a character in something and therefore I thought it was better to get an alt. However a miner and mission runner can't really help each other like perhaps an Orca alt could help a miner, therefore I was slightly unsure wheter or not I should actually get an alt.

Multitasking mission runner and miner in parallel? Does not sound too much fun to me ... Blink As said above, if unsure, you don't need one. My personal take on alts, you want to be able to do all fun stuff on your main, your EvE personality, you grow and create a reputation with. Alts can help later to compensate for lack of player buddies and with special tasks, but I would consider them more as a kind of specialized slaves.

I'm my own NPC alt.

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#8 - 2015-12-22 18:31:57 UTC
Justin Sollette wrote:
Well I basically want to do both for fun. I like mining, but I also really like mission running. However I'd rather specialize a character in something and therefore I thought it was better to get an alt. However a miner and mission runner can't really help each other like perhaps an Orca alt could help a miner, therefore I was slightly unsure wheter or not I should actually get an alt.

For pve, it's not really at all unless you get like 6 of them and work as a stripmining fleet with an orca.

If you were PvP oriented it would be a different matter, but you wouldn't need to ask us about that if you did have that need as it would be clear and obvious to you.
Justin Sollette
BLACKWATCH INC
#9 - 2015-12-22 18:39:29 UTC
So basically it would be just as good to train everything on one character, and perhaps get an alt when necessary.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#10 - 2015-12-22 18:50:03 UTC
Justin Sollette wrote:
So basically it would be just as good to train everything on one character, and perhaps get an alt when necessary.

When you need another character online at the same time as your main it will be abundantly clear too you.

That said I run two accounts and I enjoy it enough to have bought a second monitor for that account.
Admittedly my particular playstyle pretty much necessitates a second account so I'm somewhat biased towards dual-boxing

If you want to, go for it by all means,
just have something of a plan for the characters on it before you start throwing money at it.


Veteran tip : Don't name your alts similarly to your main.
(you will thank me for that in years to comeBlink)
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#11 - 2015-12-22 18:55:37 UTC
Like Ralph said. If you really needed an alt it would be abundantly clear to you that you need an alt as would what you need it for, be it scouting, logistcs, EWAR or an additional shooting dude.

However I personally think everyone needs a neutral covops alt.
Justin Sollette
BLACKWATCH INC
#12 - 2015-12-22 19:00:08 UTC
Allright thanks a bunch everyone!
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2015-12-22 19:17:22 UTC
Completely depends on your financial situation. If funding a second account is no big deal, have at it. I have made alts for no better reason than I thought of a cool name and wanted to use it.

As others have said though, normally it's a specific "I really want an alt to do this" that prompts me to make a new account. Alts are great if you have a reason to use them. They give you flexibility and let you specialize in different areas faster. But they're a waste of money otherwise.

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Titan's Lament

Solecist Project
#14 - 2015-12-22 19:22:00 UTC

Hi! Let me give you a very different point of view on this one:

Justin Sollette wrote:
So basically it would be just as good to train everything on one character, and perhaps get an alt when necessary.


In your case definitely.

You can train for mining just as much as you can skill for running missions ...
... and both activities make you money, albeit one worse than the other of course.

You're not actually saving anything when you have a second account for something like this.

You can be a figure in the web of New Eden's society, who has learned to be a miner AND a servant to the empires. One character can do a multitude of things and he can potentially do them ALL equally good compared to everyone else, because all skills cap at V!

Even a "jack of all trades" can be as good at everything a dedicated alt does! The idea of "jack of all trades/master of none" does not apply in EVE. It only takes *the player* more time, compared to someone else who uses an alt to train in parallel.

For me, the most important difference between these two options is that I, as character, accept my existence and stand before you capable of doing a lot of things, because I believe that humans do not need to specialize like ants. I, as player, believe that having seperate accounts for seperate play-styles (unlike having a scouting alt, which is a usefull tool) actually diminishes the experience.

Why? Because it reduces *all* your characters to TOOLS, which is the diametrically opposite to this when you think about different characters as "living entities" inside the game world, compared to scouting alts which have no life in the game that they could call their own.


Note: It's not like escapism, because escapism lacks the barrier between the player and the character. Escapism is when the player projects himself into the game, mistaken the virtual identiy as his own, which can cause a multitude of issues ...

including, but not limited to: ragequitting, making a huge fuss out of getting ganked, death threats against you or your family, doxing, demanding safe space, etc.


This was long enough already, wasn't it?

I'll conclude with something that might help you see your question from a different perspective.



The real question, which encompasses your question, is: Who do you, the character, really want to be?


*kinks*

:)
(:


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Barnabus Jones III
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-12-22 19:30:14 UTC
Cara Forelli wrote:
I have made alts for no better reason than I thought of a cool name and wanted to use it.

Greetings!
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2015-12-22 19:32:20 UTC
Barnabus Jones III wrote:
Cara Forelli wrote:
I have made alts for no better reason than I thought of a cool name and wanted to use it.

Greetings!


Hear ya.

At one point I had 9 accounts (not all subbed at the same time) just for the fun of it

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Memphis Baas
#17 - 2015-12-22 21:43:11 UTC
Justin Sollette wrote:
So basically it would be just as good to train everything on one character, and perhaps get an alt when necessary.


You can categorize skills like this:

- ship skills (unlock new ships for you)
- weapon skills (train the weapons for the ships you've unlocked)
- support skills (armor, shields, targeting, navigation, energy management) - all ships need these
- industry skills (take as needed if your character is specialized)

So, basically, when you create an alt, the alt will need to (re)train all the support skills. If you decide to go mining and PVE missions and (later) PVP, exploration, whatever... you just train a couple extra skills and you're good to go. On the other hand if you decide to make an alt for each activity, you're training those support skills on each one of the alts (and that's a lot of skills).

So, just use one character for now.

Alts are for when you need to keep what you're doing secret, or separate from the main. Examples:

- forum posting alt (if you troll)
- corporate thief, spy, scammer alt
- market trading alt (so he can stay in Jita and trade, while your main roams around)
- CEO (so you can create your own corporation, and still be able to join other corps with your main)
- PVP pirate alt (piracy results in low security ratings, eventually you'll be blocked from high sec)
- skills alt so you can sell it on the Character Bazaar
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#18 - 2015-12-22 22:18:04 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Memphis Baas wrote:
Justin Sollette wrote:
So basically it would be just as good to train everything on one character, and perhaps get an alt when necessary.


You can categorize skills like this:

- ship skills (unlock new ships for you)
- weapon skills (train the weapons for the ships you've unlocked)
- support skills (armor, shields, targeting, navigation, energy management) - all ships need these
- industry skills (take as needed if your character is specialized)

So, basically, when you create an alt, the alt will need to (re)train all the support skills. If you decide to go mining and PVE missions and (later) PVP, exploration, whatever... you just train a couple extra skills and you're good to go. On the other hand if you decide to make an alt for each activity, you're training those support skills on each one of the alts (and that's a lot of skills).

So, just use one character for now.

Alts are for when you need to keep what you're doing secret, or separate from the main. Examples:

- forum posting alt (if you troll)
- corporate thief, spy, scammer alt
- market trading alt (so he can stay in Jita and trade, while your main roams around)
- CEO (so you can create your own corporation, and still be able to join other corps with your main)
- PVP pirate alt (piracy results in low security ratings, eventually you'll be blocked from a viable PvP target in high sec)
- skills alt so you can sell it on the Character Bazaar



Just fixed a minor minor mistake.

No matter how bad your sec status is, you are never actually blocked from high-sec.
It just means that traversing high-sec will be made a little bit more fun / a cat and mouse game / annoying *tick what applies for your playstyle*

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#19 - 2015-12-22 22:26:52 UTC
One thing I have found invaluable is the astero.

With that hull you can have a fresh character warping cloaked in a week give or take a couple of days

If you're willing to give it a plex you can have almost perfect scanning skills within a month.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2015-12-22 22:31:41 UTC
It is worth pointing out that there are 3 characters on your account you can train and you can use all three for the one monthly sub.

The DOWNSIDES of the 2nd and third characters is:

  1. You can only log in one of these characters at a time - no multiboxing
  2. You have to switch training from your main to the alt character OR pay for multicharacter traing at a PLEX per month


The ADVANTAGES are:

  1. You only pay one sub per month
  2. Once a character is skilled at a particular job you can stop training and still use it


In the case of a miner alt it may make sense to enable a 2nd char on your account and multi-character train it with a month or maybe two months of basic mining skills. Once trained you can log it in at any time (just not at the same time as your main) and go mining with it.
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