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2 Year Contract 9.95/mo

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DropCam
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2015-12-20 12:02:29 UTC
This is where i want to be..
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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#2 - 2015-12-20 12:09:24 UTC
Everyone somehow agrees to prices of everything going up each year. Groceries, restaurants even games you buy. Yet somehow MMO's aren't allowed to go up and in fact people want to pay even less. Stop being poor.
lost packet
Alpha Flight
Sev3rance
#3 - 2015-12-20 12:30:15 UTC
Get a job? You also get to benefit from stepping away from the computer once in awhile :)
W33b3l
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-12-20 12:42:34 UTC
I've been paying for 2 monthly subs since 2009. I've had 3 accounts for 4 or 5 years now. 15 bucks a month X3 and never plex. I don't even want to do the math lol. I'm just glad the prices Havnt gone up since its 3 fold for me.
TigerXtrm
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-12-20 13:13:20 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
Everyone somehow agrees to prices of everything going up each year. Groceries, restaurants even games you buy. Yet somehow MMO's aren't allowed to go up and in fact people want to pay even less. Stop being poor.


The monthly subscription model is kind of unsustainable though. People are simply not willing to pay 15 bucks a month to play this game. I gladly pay for my subscription but I think we can all agree that this will not support EVE for another 10 years. Times have changed and EVE is slowly but surely shifting to a free to play model (for better or for worse, we will see...). CCP will announce EVE going free to play within the next three years, after laying a firm foundation for micro transactions in the game. It will have to, as EVE players like to say, adapt or die.

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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#6 - 2015-12-20 13:43:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregor Parud
TigerXtrm wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
Everyone somehow agrees to prices of everything going up each year. Groceries, restaurants even games you buy. Yet somehow MMO's aren't allowed to go up and in fact people want to pay even less. Stop being poor.


The monthly subscription model is kind of unsustainable though. People are simply not willing to pay 15 bucks a month to play this game. I gladly pay for my subscription but I think we can all agree that this will not support EVE for another 10 years. Times have changed and EVE is slowly but surely shifting to a free to play model (for better or for worse, we will see...). CCP will announce EVE going free to play within the next three years, after laying a firm foundation for micro transactions in the game. It will have to, as EVE players like to say, adapt or die.


Based on which facts? Or is that just poor people repeating it often enough that others actually think it's true? Just because it's done a whole lot atm, because people haven't woken up yet realising that it's actually NOT in their own benefit, doesn't mean it stays that way. I wouldn't be at all surprised that in the not so distant future a large portion of gamers get fed up with the ever expanding fuckery of micro transactions and start to boycott it.

Your stance is no different from "Well, this new MMO that you're working on, EVE, doesn't in any way compare to other MMO's out there like EverQuest, DaoC and UO. This will never work, you should just adapt to what everyone else is doing" back in 2002.


I'll happily pay an entrance fee if that means I can avoid the most braindead shitlords because they're too poor to play.
Celise Katelo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2015-12-20 14:20:39 UTC
I prefer to pay a monthly sub, i'm happy with the price P

I work 6days a week, been in the same job since 2002. Never missed a bill or birthday. Always had enough money to pay for a monthly sub with all games i tend to play. Fact is "I'm not super intellectual" , but if you can't afford to pay for something, then "Just don't do it". Well thats what i tend to do, prioritize my income / life.

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Memphis Baas
#8 - 2015-12-20 15:05:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Memphis Baas
TigerXtrm wrote:
Times have changed and EVE is slowly but surely shifting to a free to play model (for better or for worse, we will see...).


They're botching the microtransactions on the NEX and the SKINs pretty badly.

There's no convenience (for previewing full outfits for example, do the pants go with the jacket?); there are only "rare" expensive "designer" outfits and no cheap bulk outfits for the common folk, and the rate at which they're updating the inventory feels like an afterthought. Also, "dark and gritty colors" is the same vision as "this is a PVP game"; unfortunately the majority of the player base insists on PVE'ing in high-sec, completely ignoring CCP.
W33b3l
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-12-20 15:12:27 UTC  |  Edited by: W33b3l
Besides the fact more people play in Europe then America. The. Euro is worth a bit more then the US dollar right now. Wich means with conversion rates we are paying less. ( I'm american). Compared to us people in the UK are paying something like 20 a month if the sub is in quid. So that American comment really makes even less sense then originally thought because our dollar doesn't go as far. If the UK was paying in dollars they would be getting a deal.

I'm in full agreement with microtransaction hate in eve though. I'm a firm believer that aurum shouldn't exist.
Yourmoney Mywallet
Doomheim
#10 - 2015-12-20 18:54:35 UTC
D'deridex Omerta wrote:
You have to remember that 15 dollars is a lot of money in some parts of the world. You americans dont wanna to play all by your self now do you?

Regardless of which part of the world you live in, if 15 bucks is too much for you you should be spending that money on food and shelter rather than EVE.
Solecist Project
#11 - 2015-12-20 19:00:21 UTC
Yourmoney Mywallet wrote:
D'deridex Omerta wrote:
You have to remember that 15 dollars is a lot of money in some parts of the world. You americans dont wanna to play all by your self now do you?

Regardless of which part of the world you live in, if 15 bucks is too much for you you should be spending that money on food and shelter rather than EVE.

That makes too much sense. :)

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Christopher AET
Lethal Injection Inc.
Pandemic Legion
#12 - 2015-12-20 19:04:04 UTC
9.95 what? Riyals? Yen? Baht?

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#13 - 2015-12-20 19:11:21 UTC
Christopher AET wrote:
9.95 what? Riyals? Yen? Baht?

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Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
#14 - 2015-12-20 19:22:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Leila Meurtrier
As someone from not-so-rich country, I'll give a little hint: Subscription fee is not the same for everyone.
While some people are paying many dollars, I pay $6.15/mo in easy-to-pickup 6 month offer.
Oh, and yearly one? $5.67/mo.

Guess why such thing as "region lock" exist? Giving hefty discounts to poor people, making them affordable. Without lock part, everyone would buy cheap stuff from middlemen who can buy stuff cheap, stealing quite a piece of a pie from officials.
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#15 - 2015-12-20 19:27:42 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
The monthly subscription model is kind of unsustainable though. People are simply not willing to pay 15 bucks a month to play this game. I gladly pay for my subscription but I think we can all agree that this will not support EVE for another 10 years.
I remember CCP saying almost exactly this around the time they lost themselves 10% of their subscribers.

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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#16 - 2015-12-20 19:38:17 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
The monthly subscription model is kind of unsustainable though. People are simply not willing to pay 15 bucks a month to play this game. I gladly pay for my subscription but I think we can all agree that this will not support EVE for another 10 years.
I remember CCP saying almost exactly this around the time they lost themselves 10% of their subscribers.


And yet, because CCP decided to be less underhanded and ****** and instead put more time into EVE, the population grew quite a bit.
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#17 - 2015-12-20 19:41:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Iria Ahrens
Leila Meurtrier wrote:
As someone from not-so-rich country, I'll give a little hint: Subscription fee is not the same for everyone.
While some people are paying many dollars, I pay $6.15/mo in easy-to-pickup 6 month offer.
Oh, and yearly one? $5.67/mo.

Guess why such thing as "region lock" exist? Giving hefty discounts to poor people, making them affordable. Without lock part, everyone would buy cheap stuff from middlemen who can buy stuff cheap, stealing quite a piece of a pie from officials.


Region locks were made for advertising restrictions not for poor countries. A company might have a Pepsi agreement for continental US, but a Coca Cola agreement for Europe. Companies simply don't want people ruining their add revenue stream, and advertising companies want their adds to be seen by their target audience.

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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#18 - 2015-12-20 19:46:40 UTC
Iria Ahrens wrote:
Leila Meurtrier wrote:
As someone from not-so-rich country, I'll give a little hint: Subscription fee is not the same for everyone.
While some people are paying many dollars, I pay $6.15/mo in easy-to-pickup 6 month offer.
Oh, and yearly one? $5.67/mo.

Guess why such thing as "region lock" exist? Giving hefty discounts to poor people, making them affordable. Without lock part, everyone would buy cheap stuff from middlemen who can buy stuff cheap, stealing quite a piece of a pie from officials.


Region locks were made for advertising restrictions not for poor countries. A company might have a Pepsi agreement for continental US, but a Coca Cola agreement for Europe. Companies simply don't want people ruining their add revenue stream, and advertising companies want their adds to be seen by their target audience.

regardless its a nice consequence.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#19 - 2015-12-20 21:28:52 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
TigerXtrm wrote:
The monthly subscription model is kind of unsustainable though. People are simply not willing to pay 15 bucks a month to play this game.

- a bottle of so-so wine or 6-pack of beer is about $10 and usually won't last 2 or 3 days (maybe not even a day if you're like me).
- a NICE meal at a restaurant is about $10 to $15 and won't last more than 30 minutes to an hour.
- a monthly gym membership is about $10 to $20 a month and, on average, people don't go to it more than 3 days a week for an hour or two at a time.
- a good night at the bar with friends will EASILY cost $50 and MAYBE you remember about 3 hours of the experience, followed by hours of pain the morning after.


EVE's cost of about $15 a month (less if you get an extended subscriptoon) gives you you unlimited access for 30 days to a world where you can freely interact (for better or worse) with several thousand similar people (see: nerds) in ways that can keep you occupied for hours.

As far as entertainment and services go... EVE is a bargain.



Comparing EVE to video games in general...

- People buy $200 to $400 USD consoles.
----- Averaged over the course of a year that is ~$16 to $33 USD per month.
----- Plus, some consoles require monthly subscriptions of about $5 to $10 USD on top of that.


- And then there are the games themselves that come separately.
------ Average "cheap" (or old) titles are about $10 to $15 USD... which is about $0.80 to $1.25 USD a month.
The catch is that people will only play these games for a limited period of time... either because there is about 10 to 20 hours worth of single player content or a dwindling multiplayer community that receives minimal support from its maker (which is already moving on to the "next best thing). So you buy "more than a few" of these kinds of titles.
------ Average "AAA" titles are about $60 USD... usually with 15 to 20 USD "expansions" / "digital download packs."
So that is about $60 to $80 USD overall... which is $5 to $6 USD a month.
And then new versions of that "AAA" title come out every year or two... so you have to shell out another $60 to $80 USD.


It all adds up.


However EVE...
- doesn't make you pay for expansions
- doesn't essentially require you to buy "extra content" in order to play with everyone else
- doesn't make you pay for a "new version" of itself year after year
- has the potential for limitless content (provided you are social)
- it still receiving a fair bit of attention from its makers

TigerXtrm wrote:
I gladly pay for my subscription but I think we can all agree that this will not support EVE for another 10 years.
...
CCP will announce EVE going free to play within the next three years,

Says who? You?

People have been saying this since I first joined back in 2009. And here we are today. So forgive me if I don't share your outlook.

TigerXtrm wrote:
Times have changed and EVE is slowly but surely shifting to a free to play model

Proof?

And no, PLEX does not count. It has been around for years as a way to beat back RMT and cater to the common issue of some players being "RL-wealthy, In-game-poor" and "RL-poor, in-game rich."


TigerXtrm wrote:
CCP will announce EVE going free to play within the next three years, after laying a firm foundation for micro transactions in the game. It will have to,

Vanity Microtransactions =/= hearalding of F2P


I am curious though... what makes you think that EVE "has" to be F2P? Much the same way I don't see all burger shops emulating McDonald's (while still being rather successful), I don't really see why EVE needs to emulate other games.
DropCam
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2015-12-21 00:21:50 UTC
What really burns my cookies is why do pay-to-play games need micro transactions?
Isn't this what makes Free to Play games umm..FTP?

So it’s sorta social, demented and sad, but social. Right?

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