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Hey CCP! Can we have an IGB update?

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Mona Kasenumi
Manda Nudis
#1 - 2015-12-17 00:05:05 UTC
Hello,

I think that CCP does use chromium to give the game some cute browser capabilities.
This same browser is quite outdated at the moment as it doesn't support the latest version of many things that exist out there (latest jquery, angular material, bootstrap 4 and so on).

Can we have a version update pretty please? It would help a LOT as we would be able to use the latest tech in our tools.

Thanks <3
Mr Twinkie
Semper Iratus Omni Tempore
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2015-12-17 00:53:47 UTC
CCP has stated the IGB will be going away eventually.

Which is why most devs will tell you not to bother coding for it anymore.

MAMBA/The-Culture Head of IT

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Mona Kasenumi
Manda Nudis
#3 - 2015-12-17 01:50:20 UTC
I know, but this might take a *long* while
Mr Twinkie
Semper Iratus Omni Tempore
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2015-12-17 02:14:45 UTC
I'd rather they just pull the plug and have links open oog already... any modern site is broken as all hell igb

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Mona Kasenumi
Manda Nudis
#5 - 2015-12-17 02:36:42 UTC
Everyone would love that, but until then its not really cool to just limit what devs could do due old tech.
David Davaham
Deep Blue Logistics
#6 - 2015-12-18 07:44:01 UTC
The devs are not being limited if they don't intent for the site to be opened in the IGB.

It actually lifts the limit and allows them to build a modern site. That is one of the things that got to me right after I started playing the game. I hated that the devs that have developed awesome sites for the game had to make the site look like crap because the IGB was is incapable of understanding modern code.

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Louis Vitton
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2015-12-18 08:53:03 UTC
Mona Kasenumi wrote:
Everyone would love that, but until then its not really cool to just limit what devs could do due old tech.


In simple terms why invest time / money in something that currently works in a limited fashion that they have stated they want to remove.
Mr Twinkie
Semper Iratus Omni Tempore
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2015-12-18 09:26:52 UTC
I can't see it being that hard to launch links in an oog browser.. Hell making a browser launch in an overlay like say steam should be easy as balls.

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CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#9 - 2015-12-18 11:27:36 UTC
If I get my way the IGB will get nuked next year. I hope to have a location service in CREST early next year so we can start the major transition away from it.

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Equto
Imperium Technologies
Sigma Grindset
#10 - 2015-12-18 12:42:38 UTC
Socks a big meany pushing around the IGB, saying hes going to kill it and get rid of it
Max Kolonko
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2015-12-18 12:53:04 UTC
Hey FoxFour, what if instead of nuking it completly just remove all igb integration. So no location cia headers and no igb java script. But leave it as an in-game browser for links.

Maybe thus way you dont have to make new version everytime chromium get updated?

And we can still use crest tools in game without alt tabing.

Also i have only one monitor so its kind of touchy subject for me and all overlay browsers ive tried are s#?!t compared to igb. And no, im not going to rearrange my apartament to fit second monitor unless i see two monitors on eve online minimal system requirements page.

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CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#12 - 2015-12-19 13:46:22 UTC
Max Kolonko wrote:
Also i have only one monitor so its kind of touchy subject for me and all overlay browsers ive tried are s#?!t compared to igb. And no, im not going to rearrange my apartament to fit second monitor unless i see two monitors on eve online minimal system requirements page.


What do you use the IGB for?

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CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#13 - 2015-12-19 13:46:51 UTC
Equto wrote:
Socks a big meany pushing around the IGB, saying hes going to kill it and get rid of it


I have the gun loaded and ready, just waiting for the IGB to make its peace first. :P

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Max Kolonko
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2015-12-19 15:54:56 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Max Kolonko wrote:
Also i have only one monitor so its kind of touchy subject for me and all overlay browsers ive tried are s#?!t compared to igb. And no, im not going to rearrange my apartament to fit second monitor unless i see two monitors on eve online minimal system requirements page.


What do you use the IGB for?


Siggy obviously to map whs, to set dedtination to/from entrence and show info on system

Dotlan and other map tools to set destination, add waypoints and show info on sysyems

Dotlan radar to see where i am (tell ui guys to fix map btw, its beauty but not much location awareness available)

Fleetup to open market for specific item and ingame fit screen

Various market tools to open market info on item and show info

ZKillboard links from chat

Adashboard and other intell tools to copy paste stuf from game into page or read others results

Paplinks

Cat pics from chat

UNTILL RECENTLY FOR GDOCS HEAVILY

I think that covers most of my usage

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Lucius Victus
Enlightened Industries
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2015-12-20 03:53:14 UTC
I don't understand why you guys WANT to get rid of it. Like Max above me I absolute love the thing.
Like the site that has all our fits. It's so much easier to navigate through doctrines than through the fitting browser.
Market tools also use the IGB in pretty nifty ways.
When I still lived in wormholes the mappers we used also had IGB functions that I used a lot.

I guess a lot of people have dual screens (or more) these days but it would be quite a hassle if you're one of the guys with only 1 screen and have to tab out all the time.
Like I said, I have no idea why you guys would want to get rid of it instead of expanding on it.
But if you don't want to update it just leave it as it is
Soleil Fournier
Fliet Pizza Delivery
Of Essence
#16 - 2015-12-20 04:02:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Soleil Fournier
CCP FoxFour wrote:
What do you use the IGB for?


Dotlan, eve-central, killboards, jump planner, pap links, and eve wiki boards are all easier to use with the IGB rather than alt-tabbing every single time I want to change something on those websites and then compare it in game. I think this is being under-appreciated by the devs wanting to nuke the IGB.

It's also super nice when people paste links to websites in chat that I don't have to go out of game to open the link.
xHjfx
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#17 - 2015-12-20 04:32:50 UTC
It would be nice if you guys replace it with CEF (https://bitbucket.org/chromiumembedded/cef) or update your existing implementation rather than just outright kill it .

Sometimes it's more convenient to check things ingame rather than look at it OOG and that is something that CREST doesn't solve.
Mona Kasenumi
Manda Nudis
#18 - 2015-12-20 06:27:59 UTC
Glad that this turned in an useful discussion!! Big smile

If you are able to give us a modern IGB (with CEF maybe? or whatever thing that is easy for you guys to keep without worrying too much about) plus the ingame javascript capability that we have today, you could get ride of the entire header thing as this is even not really secure for devs to rely on.

The javascript lib to open things ingame and set routes is quite useful.
Haffsol
#19 - 2015-12-20 11:02:44 UTC
Max Kolonko wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:
What do you use the IGB for?


Siggy obviously to map whs, to set dedtination to/from entrence and show info on system

Dotlan and other map tools to set destination, add waypoints and show info on sysyems

Dotlan radar to see where i am (tell ui guys to fix map btw, its beauty but not much location awareness available)

Fleetup to open market for specific item and ingame fit screen

Various market tools to open market info on item and show info

ZKillboard links from chat

Adashboard and other intell tools to copy paste stuf from game into page or read others results

Paplinks

Cat pics from chat

UNTILL RECENTLY FOR GDOCS HEAVILY

I think that covers most of my usage


^ This.

That being said I really hope CCP decides which way to go: invest some effort and make it really useful and not that sort of minmatar tool which is today or get rid of it providing a way to have all those FUNDAMENTAL features (mostly tracking position and sharing info with fleet/corp mates) via CREST or whatever means can guarantee to be not exploited by foes and third parties in general.
xHjfx
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#20 - 2015-12-20 11:31:31 UTC  |  Edited by: xHjfx
Well the current IGB was leaps ahead of the old one however it was also meant to be easier to maintain and see updates but they left it without attention for years without addressing it then came out by stating oh it's old, out of date and is planned for removal.

If they had committed to a yearly/bi-yearly update, it would have been in a better state.

To be honest FoxFour seems pretty set in his ways and has been running telemetry on how the IGB is being used - so it's definitely going whether we like it or not judging by his last post on here.
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