EVE General Discussion

I've been calling myself a carebear for a while, but now am wondering if the title is apt.

Since I explore or trade for isk, but don't pvp for isk am I a carebear? I usually run away from pvp encounters, mainly because my ships have been pve fitted when SURPRISE PVP. I'll actively pvp sometimes, but I suck so usually I'm the one on the km.

I've no problem flying in any space, WH, Null, LS, HS are all fine for me. No cold sweat, or even tripidation when I enter a wh or activate a warp gate into LS/Null. I'll even fly in hostile null and place remote buy/sell orders in outposts I could never dock in. VFK? No problem. I'll use contracts to hopefully attract a local hauler to move my goods to a more profitable location, or from a cheaper place to null.

So yea, I carebear in that I am very good at avoiding pvp usually. But I'm not against it, I'm not afraid of it. I just suck at it. But I don't avoid risk, rather I seek it out. I'd much rather make a trade run from Providence or NPC null to empire, than run between HS hubs, or sit in station trading.

definitely a bear of some sense,
maby not in the derogatory "care bear" sense though.

given your description i doubt anyone would accuse you of being risk averse.

regardless welcome back .

This.

There is a difference between "risk aversion" (attempting to avoid any and all possible risk at any cost) and "risk mitigation" (minimizing risk but accepting that it is always there and a part of the game).

A person who runs missions and "bugs out" (or doesn't take the "bait") when confronted by a "ninja looter" is not necessarily a carebear.
A person who runs missions and complains that people can interfere with his/her mission running activities IS a carebear.

A person who does industry and hauls stuff around is not necessarily a carebear.
A person who does industry and hauls stuff around, but avoids any and all potentially profitable ventures and complains about it (because he/she doesn't want to expose him/herself to any possible risk) IS a carebear.

A person who does PvP and chooses engagements to have the best odds of winning is not necessarily a carebear.
A person who does PvP, chooses engagements to have the best odds of winning, and then turns around and says that it isn't fair that others are doing the same thing is a carebear.

A person who only operates solo is not necessarily a carebear.
A person who only operates solo and complains about how groups of players have an advantage over him/her is a carebear.


It is a subtle difference. But it is important to make the distinction.

Ooooh.

Iria, J'poll and Tippia all showing up in a couple of days of each other,

Tis a Cristmass miracle .

I always thought the meaning of a carebear was someone who cared too much about their precious, shiny ship. Someone who doesn't see ships as a disposable asset, but something they worked hard for and must be cherished. Someone who will cry, whine and rage if their precious ship ever gets forcibly involved in content.

That was I used to think when I started playing eve. Then when after I joined FEAR I noticed that whenever anyone went to go shoot rats or do gurista sites, It was referred to as carebearing. So I started to get the impression that the term had morphed to include any shooting of NPCs for isk, not just whining players that are unprepared for the extremely confrontational and ruthlessness that is eve.

So that's when I started calling myself a carebear.

Iria, the forum lags since a few days already.
When you click POST you will be sent back to the page immediately,
even though the server hasn't updated it yet.

So just wait a few more seconds and reload, instead of POSTing again. :)

To me carebear is one of those words in which the meaning is so diluted and spread over such a broad variety of behavior that it's essentially meaningless. Kind of like terrorist or sexual predator. (AKA, angry neighbor or drunk guy taking a leak in public).

Time to retire it from the gamer lexicon and find a more apropos term.

Mr Epeen

I remember the time when I was trying to get a bit of isk together, and I had a very basic Dominix for slowly going through l4's. So it came to pass that a baiter came into my pocket one day, and I decided to try and get rid of him. I managed to knock him into hull, but at that point it was death by a thousand cuts (I wasn't aware scrams would disable MJD's, being a noob)... whilst I was being neuted dry, I thought to myself "I've made a terrible mistake". It was all on me, and I duly paid the price. He offered a ransom, but I wasn't biting, fool me once... however, it was a lesson learnt, painful though it was at the time. Thankfully I had enough in reserve to get a replacement, which leads me to the second point.

A line I quite like to put out to new players who are asking for advice on what ships/weapons to train for is to remember, don't fly what you can't afford to lose (I'm now in the habit of repeating that ad infinitum). However, one individual who I won't name (partly because I've completely forgotten ) decided after a few weeks to get a VNI, and by all accounts he could've done a lot worse. The main problem was, he'd spent practically everything he had on purchasing and doing it up. Nothing in the way of faction mods, but still, it was a risk.

And the inevitable happened, although it was entirely avoidable. He used autopilot... which, from that point on, became the second bit of advice I give to newbro's; ignore that button!

Somewhere in the pipe between Dodi and Hek, he got popped and podded, although he didn't find out until roughly an hour afterwards. What I remember is the incandescent rage as he ranted on about why he was ganked, why it even occurred in high-sec (something along the lines of 'safe space')... when I reminded him high security doesn't mean "total" security, and that he should've known what 'could' happen when going afk, it was akin to running into a bear cave when the residents happen to be fornicating... he wasn't happy. Lo and behold what would happen if he'd run into someone who then engaged in a bit of trolling after the event.

It's people like him that leave others with the impression (and thus, tarnished by association) of being "carebears". I'd like to think most of us who live in high-sec are saner then that.

To me a carebear, is someone who wants to play with minimal effort, and little or no chance to die