Ships & Modules

so i live in a wh and im currently training dreads but im not sure witch one i wanna get pheonix or naglfar naglfar seems ti would be good cause its not cap dependent but i really havent used missels i read that the phoenix has some trouble hitting things but wouldn't the naglfar the tracking on the xl guns sucks and if i did go with the phoenix witch missle is better cruise or torp

haha that answer combined with that profile picture


OnT: naglfar indeed, it looks like a skyscraper with cannons! looks > use

Do you want something that shoots a car?(seriously nag shells are 8-11ish feet wide)
Also it happens to be made out of fingernails and toenails of the dead... (also seriously..) Though this somehow works for a minmatar hull.

Or..

A phoenix. Which is actually pretty damn fun now.

If you have to ask, etc. etc.

Or a pulsar...

Indeed but the pheonix still works pretty well in pulsars (C5+ ofc)

I would still go a Nag over Phoenix in a pulsar.

But at the end of the day Dreads are always a personal preference. Pick what you like most and to hell with everyone else, even if you fly the Crappy Amarr one people will still take the dread over no dread at the end of the day.

PS
The Correct answer is still Naglfar.

Tricky ....
first of all, the nag has better cap, it's in fact less vulnerable vs neuting than a pheonix, also it's vertical :)
Pheonix tanks a lot more "paperdps" than a nag, in fact the difference is incredible, if you both blingfit them a pheonix with equal fit tanks 1 more dread in dps, however a pheonix tanks with average dps fit (no cap power relays in low slots) for max 4:30 mins (capped out), while a nag tanks for 5:05 mins.
Now lets take a look at damage projection, application and mitigation

Mitigation pheonix wins, you apply full dps @ 90k, other dreads aint hitting for their full dps at that range anymore (falloff/lower damage ammo), this will in fact give you an advantage for fighting other dreads outnumbered

Application is tricky, manually orbit a nag at >500m and even with 10 vindis webbing you and 10 rapiers TPing you, it can't hit you at all, a killbox (triangle of death) is a solution for that issue, however all you need to apply 9k dps in the same situation as pheonix is 1 rapier assisting you (3tp +offgridlinks + 2 webs), this changes if the nag is not beeing orbited, it will hit for ~15k dps once you get tracked, so in a group of dreads with distance to each other the nag wins over the pheonix, if you're a ball of dread due to tracking issues the pheonix wins, also pheonix has the highest alpha and can 1 shot even dualplated bhaalgorns with t2 trimarks.

Projection is where the pheonix wins by far, i know torpfits with 12k dps @ 90-110k range, a nag can't apply its full dps at that range anymore with autocannons, however in shortrange vs other dreads, it does more dps until you're at ~ 60k

Both are viable, both outperform Moros and Rev in WHs, it's up to you, personally i'd train and buy both and pick the one which fits best for that given situation.

Regards
RC

Looks like someone hasn't been fitting Nozh's modified target painter