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MrsPotatoHead
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-12-02 13:02:23 UTC
Just putting this idea out there to see what response I get.

Mining Command Ship.

Battlecruiser Hull
Name: Excavator
Boost %: same as current command ships



Is this something that people could see in game? Just as an idea.


Anyway flame away or constructive feedback as you will.

Thanks.

Flitz Farseeker
Gang Bang You're Dead
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#2 - 2015-12-02 14:29:56 UTC
There already is a Mining Command Ship in game: Orca
MrsPotatoHead
Doomheim
#3 - 2015-12-02 14:38:12 UTC
Flitz Farseeker wrote:
There already is a Mining Command Ship in game: Orca



Yes there is.

But the same could be said for Warfare link ships. Yet CCP are adding another variety of command ship.

Why can we not have more variety for Mining command ships also?

For warfare links:

Carriers
Command Ships
T3 Cruisers
T3 Destroyers
Titans


The idea also could go as far as, what about this new mining frigate which can go into the restricted wormholes etc... why can't those players have a command ship which could also assist with that area of space?
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#4 - 2015-12-02 15:04:26 UTC
You have the Orca and the Rorqual...isn't that enough?

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MrsPotatoHead
Doomheim
#5 - 2015-12-02 15:10:10 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
You have the Orca and the Rorqual...isn't that enough?



Straight up answer no, it's not enough.

With the upcoming changes to links and the limitations on ships able to actively support a mining fleet.

There is all the effort of trying to turn the Rorqual into a booster that is able to be on grid and not just be a floating tomb. It's the perfect time to diversify and add something new.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2015-12-02 16:22:55 UTC  |  Edited by: ChromeStriker
No.... get your orcas and rorquals in the belts. Theyre too safe as they are.

If that means they instantly die... then you make changes to those ships, not add more.

No Worries
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#7 - 2015-12-02 18:59:59 UTC
mining links already have exceptions. and until we get actual details on what will be happening to links. speculation is well just speculation.

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Sheeth Athonille
TerraTroopers
Get Off My Lawn
#8 - 2015-12-02 23:34:17 UTC
If things end up being the way people are speculating (rorqual has to be in belt and industrial core isn't removed), then rorquals will almost never be used. 5 mins of not being able to move in a massive anomaly that hostiles warp to first chance they get (especially if they end up seeing a rorq on d scan) will be a death sentence within a week. So people straight up wont use the rorqual.

That'll leave orca's, which are pretty good in their own right, but it'll just feel lacking.

If they get rid of the "not able to move for 5 mins" thing, then it might be worthwhile to put rorqual in a belt.

Either way, stock up on high end minerals bc price is going to jump P
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#9 - 2015-12-03 00:37:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Sobaan Tali
May be a dummy question, but why not just make the current command ships and soon-to-be ones extend their warfare link buffs to include mining links rather than adding new ones? This would allow CCP to avoid having to bloat the list of ships even more so while allowing other more flexible options to platform links for the miners than only just the 1-2 (really just one in many cases) ships spec'd for that role.

Edit: just realized that mining links are usable on CBC's, T3 cruisers fitted for command role, and presumably, the new ships on the way. Did not know that, I had assumed the Orca and Roquel only were capable of running mining links and CBC's/T3's couldn't even operate with them.

So, my counter question to the "give use more options" emphasis is, is the real problem that unbonused mining links on a ship not specialized for mining, but can still run them nonetheless, not good enough on its own merits, or do the mining links' base stats need to be looked at? Do combat command ships need, even if reduced to 1%-2% rather than the standard 3%, mining link buffs? Is the real issue that the trade offs of using a CBC over an Orca too much, despite being a much cheaper option?

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MrsPotatoHead
Doomheim
#10 - 2015-12-03 09:22:22 UTC
Sobaan Tali wrote:
May be a dummy question, but why not just make the current command ships and soon-to-be ones extend their warfare link buffs to include mining links rather than adding new ones? This would allow CCP to avoid having to bloat the list of ships even more so while allowing other more flexible options to platform links for the miners than only just the 1-2 (really just one in many cases) ships spec'd for that role.

Edit: just realized that mining links are usable on CBC's, T3 cruisers fitted for command role, and presumably, the new ships on the way. Did not know that, I had assumed the Orca and Roquel only were capable of running mining links and CBC's/T3's couldn't even operate with them.

So, my counter question to the "give use more options" emphasis is, is the real problem that unbonused mining links on a ship not specialized for mining, but can still run them nonetheless, not good enough on its own merits, or do the mining links' base stats need to be looked at? Do combat command ships need, even if reduced to 1%-2% rather than the standard 3%, mining link buffs? Is the real issue that the trade offs of using a CBC over an Orca too much, despite being a much cheaper option?



Yeah, even this. The idea of a new ship was purely just 'Why not?' If they added the bonuses to mining links to existing command ships then that would also be great. The bonuses provided by the mining links when fitted to a maxed out Rorqual are great (I'll need to put some numbers together and update this when I've done that).

The current response of put a rorqual in the belt, but an orca in the belt. Meh. Like pvp'ers put their unprobbable ships and off-grid boosters in fleet and on the field? Even when they cost half the price of an Orca and could also be setup to fight.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2015-12-03 10:15:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiddle Jr
This idea been suggested and discussed many times already. Check forums. A lot of Rorqual discussions as well.
In regard of new mining ship - got some support on ORE BC hull based mining booster or as an option add sixth sub to all T3's for that specific role.

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Flitz Farseeker
Gang Bang You're Dead
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#12 - 2015-12-03 10:52:46 UTC
MrsPotatoHead wrote:
Flitz Farseeker wrote:
There already is a Mining Command Ship in game: Orca
Yes there is.

But the same could be said for Warfare link ships. Yet CCP are adding another variety of command ship.

Why can we not have more variety for Mining command ships also?
Orca has a specific role (mining support). That makes it unique - want mining boosts get an Orca. If you give its benefits to other ships then what is the purpose of the Orca?

If, on the other hand, the benefits increased with different classes then there is still a progression.

Mining command frigate - 1 link, low boosts
Mining command dessie - 1-2 links, low boosts
Mining command cruiser - 1-2 links, average boosts
Mining command BC - 1-3 links, average boosts
Orca - 3 links, good boosts

This is just a suggestion but I could see something like this working if you want more variety plus 4 new ships or 3 plus new variant of existing mining frigates.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#13 - 2015-12-03 13:39:42 UTC
Got a frighole, take a Magus/Pontifex, fit with 3 gas harvesters, link and expanders.
Got a med hole, take a Gnosis with 5 gas harvesters, link and 5k cargo.

Those ships are in game, and there shouldn't be a smaller/cheaper boosting ship than Orca/rorq for a mining OP sitting at the same bonus-level with on-grid links on the horizon.
Solecist Project
#14 - 2015-12-07 13:24:06 UTC
You forgot to mention the point of this ship ...

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#15 - 2015-12-09 13:04:56 UTC
First wrong forum



Note can you explain why this is needed

No other types of links have more options is not a reason

No frigate ice mining in shattered holes is not a reason A these would not fit B from what I understand they were balanced to run off unbonused links

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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2015-12-19 11:15:08 UTC
why whould you use it over an orca?
Vladimir Rastan
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2015-12-24 09:40:32 UTC
How about because Orca's cannot fit in C1, C2, or C3 Wormholes? So it would be really nice to have a command ship for tearing belts apart in those. 30k ore hold + command links would be amazing. I don't want to build an Orca in a C1, C2 or C3 WH just to never be able to get it out. I like being in a small corp with real life friends. Don't really want to give that up to join a huge corp in a C4+ WH.

Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
#18 - 2015-12-24 13:42:52 UTC
But... if you want just a booster, you can use any Combat BattleCruiser. Sure, 15% bonus to link effectiveness is cool to have and it's actually matters, but hell, you might squeeze 4 fitted booster BCs with Mindlinks at price of one orca without one.
Kyra Lee
Doomheim
#19 - 2016-01-01 10:16:58 UTC
I think we could use a mining command ship based on the Noctis hull. Give it the same boosting amount as the Orca, but no ore, fleet, or hanger bay, just the standard cargo hold. T2 resists, probably shield tanked like other ORE vessels, 4 or 5 drones for combat with HP and damage bonuses, a 5/6/4 slot layout with no hard points, up to 3 links simultaneously, and it bonuses for mining and siege links. Obviously bonuses would have to be tweaked to balance everything.

This would put it on par with the Eos for damage, and the Vulture for tank. Cost wise it should be like the other command ships. If they do make mining boosts be ongrid only this would give us the option of having a combat worthy mining booster that has no other utility or the Orca which has lots of utility but is much more vulnerable. There is your risk/reward.

They still need to fix the rorq :(
Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
#20 - 2016-01-01 11:50:37 UTC
Kyra Lee wrote:
I think we could use a mining command ship based on the Noctis hull. Give it the same boosting amount as the Orca, but no ore, fleet, or hanger bay, just the standard cargo hold. T2 resists, probably shield tanked like other ORE vessels, 4 or 5 drones for combat with HP and damage bonuses, a 5/6/4 slot layout with no hard points, up to 3 links simultaneously, and it bonuses for mining and siege links. Obviously bonuses would have to be tweaked to balance everything.

This would put it on par with the Eos for damage, and the Vulture for tank. Cost wise it should be like the other command ships. If they do make mining boosts be ongrid only this would give us the option of having a combat worthy mining booster that has no other utility or the Orca which has lots of utility but is much more vulnerable. There is your risk/reward.

They still need to fix the rorq :(

I think no. There is a reason why CCP is touchy about boosting raw numbers. And link effectiveness for miners IS a boost to raw numbers. I'll sooner believe they'll make industrial based on Noctis hull for hauling large ammount of ore, posessing fleet hangar and mainternance array than bonus boosts.

As for the rorqual, it's capable of ten drone setup, huge tank and full utility at the same time. Problem is not the ship, problem is spy efforts and average miner mentality OMGGOTTABAILFROMTHATLONER.