Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Battleships don't need to be the same as battlecruisers. Let smaller ships have a warp advantage.




This is headed in the right direction but I'd like to see 20% or higher.

Increasing the signature radius of a small ship is far more valuable than you seem to think it is. A ship with a larger signature radius means you're more likely to hit the thing in the first place. If you're in a missile boat then the larger missile variants are going to do more damage. That is the whole concept of the blap Phoenix by the way & is how they one-shot really fast frigates when they shouldn't otherwise be able to.

This Viability rests solely in the pilots training though, because with poor skills, it is merely a cheaper BS coffin. And it does very poorly against BS's what it's designed to do.

I don't wanna be a mean girl and I do agree on the hictor part but the progression of the progression of the progression was supposed to be the best and strongest you can fly as of CCP's own design goal.

I believe they hit the mark spot on - well my Gila looks really angry when I look at her. Poor thing

Only because some folks don't comprehend how turrets work.

You must not check killboards, but we are talking about a caldari with an Armor tank. How often you see one with that?

BS are great DPS machines if you outsource the tackling / painting though .....

1 proteus isn't a problem for 1 battleship, but go up to even 5 on 5 with 2 logi present for either side and suddenly the game has completely changed. Now it's a matter of who can apply enough damage to break logi chains or catch the logi to nuke them down. Well, I can tell you who won't be catching the cruisers, the big, slow, dumb, lousy tracking, slow locking, absurdly large signature, battleships. I can tell you who gets to dictate range and stay out of scram range. Not the big, slow, dumb, lousy tracking, slow locking, absurdly large signature, battleships. Well, scale that up more and the problem only gets larger with scale. The proteus fleet has no problem applying the full might of each cruiser to a single BS hull. The battleships on the proteus... not so much.

Back to 1 v 1, the only instance in which a proteus and a battleship would even get into a fight is if the proteus chose to engage that battleship. Why? Because he's a big, slow, dumb, lousy tracking, slow locking, absurdly large signature battleship. The proteus can warp before he even locks, not to mention pull range before he can scram. Oh noes, he has to move 9k away. The horror. The elephant might be halfway up to speed by the time the proteus is 20 off. The proteus can run from fights it doesn't want, or at least some fights it doesn't want. The battleship, not so much. Why? Because it's big, dumb, slow... you get the picture. Not to mention one has a cov ops configuration and can ignore bubbles. Maneuverability counts for so much in the current meta. Raw DPS means nothing if you can't apply it, and battleships have the worst damage application in game right now, save for maybe titans and dreads, and at least those two still have a specific roll. The roll of the battleship is to fight things its size, but everything its size is bad so it has nothing to fight, and even if it did, there are other smaller ships that do that roll better. It's a negative feed back loop of stupidity that CCP should have fixed months ago, or at least mentioned. Thus far, not a peep.

We know what the problems with battleships are. They are glaring and obvious. What the issue is how to remedy said issues and for CCP to actually acknowledge said issues, the latter of which might happen when hell freezes over.

If Price isn't an object, A Vindicator, Barghest, Golem and mach come to mind. But those are very expensive fitting.


But going from, how to say? A Price to performance ratio, the Proteus wins every time. A 500mil Proteus will always beat a 500mil Battleship. Not just in 1v1 but also in terms of pure performance, a Proteus will do a Megathrons job far better then what a mega can. At similar price.

Blaster Nano Napoc will dog poo all over a Proteus
Most Proteus' are immobile slow bricks.

Your question is pointless, since Eve is not balanced around 1v1, but still, I'd place my money on an Armageddon (or a Rattlesnake, Vindicator, Dominix, etc).