Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It absolutely does not depend.

Take a look at the cloak thread for some of that. The same whiny crybabies wanting aggression savagely nerfed, so they can farm afk without any uncertainty.

Why do you people even play this game.

Wardec mechanics need to be balanced so that there is a way to fight and end the war. As with so many other aspects of EVE's slant to toxic playstyles there needs to be a non-consent mechanism for all sides of a conflict.





This is political double speak. He says they have failed to validate complaints of griefing as having a pronounced effect. That is not to say there is no effect, just that the effect isn't large.

He goes on to say the largest factors in retention are social activity, and lists Joining Corps, Using the Market and Contracts, PvP, and etc. It would be important to note that PvP is just one thing in an open ended list, and it came after using the market.

What he does not say is PvP is the holy grail of player retention, and further does not even touch upon predatory PvP which is what those who like to trot out this little quote are so hotly defending.

As with many others who speak of the 'myth', my belief comes from personal experience with over a dozen players I have known personally. While it's not usually any one moment or thing that drove them from the game, without fail the one thing they all mention as a major contributing factor is the games slant to the support of predatory pvp.

Ah... If it's purely a meta activity then just remove the wardec mechanics completely then.

I love it when you do the "All Powerful Arbiter of What and Who Belongs in EVE" schtick. Your terror at one day having aggression you didn't choose to participate in directed at you is wondrous to behold.


Words spoken that hold much truth. They apply much more to you as the entitled person with a bad attitude than they ever will to me however.




He may have said, though I've not seen it actually quoted, unlike the other thing where he does not say it. Certainly the other numbers don't show it, like the one where only 20% of log ins involve PvP, or that high sec PvE is the largest demographic in the game, followed by Nullbears.

It's obvious why you always post against anything that would empower those groups to fight back against you.

Why would you need to be "empowered?" (by which of course you mean have the mechanic stacked in your favor)

You can already "fight back against me", you can already shoot at me thanks to wars flagging both of us. If people like you wanted to fight, you already could have been fighting. Go ahead, be my guest, I rather enjoy killing things besides mining barges.

But you don't want to fight, that's just a lie you use as a smokescreen.

You just want penalties heaped on people for having the temerity to be the aggressor in a PvP game.

Your very next sentence following this quoted one.

I keep reading that, and I don't see a penalty of any kind for anyone. Please show me the part you mean, where there is some form of penalty applied to you.

Point to the nerf.

As with so much else, all that's being asked for is a form of effective retaliation to resolve conflict. You don't like that, because then you might lose.

That's not a nerf, that's called balance.

And there you flipped again.



Your exact words.

Fighting back at me makes me keep going.

So which is it? Make up your mind.




Except it doesn't. That's the norm, actually. See, it turns out that, and I know this comes as a shock to you, the defender is allowed to shoot back, and always has been.

Face it, Mike.

Wars aren't broken just because carebears lose. They're playing the game wrong, they don't belong in player corps to begin with.

Cloaks aren't broken just because you're scared. You're playing the game wrong, you should be flying defensible ships.

Bumping isn't broken just because you won't bother with an escort. You're playing the game wrong, all capital ships don't deserve to be solo.

Basically, your whole post history is you wanting CCP to subsidize bad, sloppy, lazy play. You want to break the game to make it so you don't have to play it correctly.

That's the Magnum Opus of Mike "I deserve to play the game wrong" Voidstar.