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[Ushra'Khan] Monalaz Investigation

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Khazarn Areth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2012-01-08 19:42:54 UTC
Marus Sulla wrote:
I doubt very much our raid has had any effect on ISHAKEA at all. I expect there HQ is fully operation once more. They were after all well drilled to EXPECT capsuleer attack.

You see when I hear Sansha, CONCORD and Amarr in the same sentence I get very itchy. What we are after is information. What is being hidden from us? Our opinion of CONCORD is a matter of public record.

That someone thinks we are in anyway allied with Sansha really should take a planetside break.

Again I'll repeat Uglebs appeal for information. If any capsuleers have any do get in contact.

Until then we will continue to act as we see fit.

Regards,

Marus


As much as i congratulate your attack and the casualties inflicted, you do come off as rather paranoid and it seems as though you attacked the said facility on a whim rather then looking into the situation more carefully.

Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood

Marus Sulla
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
#22 - 2012-01-08 20:20:21 UTC
It's only paranoia if they aren't out to get you, and, well, of course the Amarrians are.

We were well aware of the reaction such a raid could produce. It was no mere whim.

Anam Matar.

The Soul of Matar.

Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#23 - 2012-01-08 20:24:10 UTC
Marus Sulla wrote:
It's only paranoia if they aren't out to get you, and, well, of course the Amarrians are.

We were well aware of the reaction such a raid could produce. It was no mere whim.


And CONCORD? I assume they're out to get you too right?

If you want information I suggest asking first, shooting second next time, rather than charging in like a bunch of reckless thugs.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#24 - 2012-01-08 21:04:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
This is so very disappointing.

I do hope Ushra'Khan is assisting with the incursion fights, because thanks to this, we'll likely be waiting longer for that facility to produce whatever it is they're working on.

Before you question my faith in CONCORD, don't. Just don't.

I would venture a guess that the work being done here is kept secret because Capsuleers cannot be trusted as a group. Individually, sure, but as a group, disseminating vital information regarding the war with the Sansha is strategic suicide. Between Nation sympathizers, spies, loose lips, and even pure stupidity... there is no way going public about the work being done there would be a good idea.

We Capsuleers have our role where we are most useful in the war. Fighting. Brute force among the stars.

Our failing is our complete inability to keep (or respect) classified information. This should be plainly evident by your blundering advances into DED classified facilities.

Nation would know everything we know about that facility within a matter of hours. Telling us is a bad idea. I am frankly glad they held you off long enough to purge their archives, because it means Nation won't have access to what materials you've put at risk.

I can only hope the setback they've suffered thanks to your actions does not put the entire cluster at extreme risk.

Katrina Oniseki

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-01-08 21:09:25 UTC
This attack should be suprising to exactly no one.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Ugleb
Jotunn Risi
#26 - 2012-01-08 21:10:07 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Do you have any solid evidence to suggest that the ISHAEKA site in Monalaz is CONCORD being run under the thumb of the Amarrian Empire? Because it seems more likely that your blind hatred led you to jumping to conclusions.


I would assert the opposite, it was an Amarrian facility under guard by CONCORD. DED forces should not be used to defend Imperial assets, and CONCORd officers should not be under the command of Imperial forces, which given that the base Commander was piloting an Imperial Issue Apocalypse would seem to be the case.

If CONCORD is to fulfill its role, it must maintain neutrality. And that includes operational control of its own forces.


Vallek Arkonnis wrote:
So you took warships into Amarrian space, you came upon DED and Amarrian ships, engaged and destroyed them, all after being told not to go there in the first place. And YOU want an explanation for their actions? Regardless of how much you terrorists love to play the victim you are the agressors here.


Incorrect assumptions. We are not members of the Arek'jaalan project, it is they who CONCORD saw fit to warn off from the area. We simply went in to conduct our own investigation.

Secondly, we engaged the Amarian military forces there, an action I feel well justified in given our state of war. The DED forces intervened, but I won't deny that I believed that they would. Regardless, I repeat my assertion; DED forces should not be used to protect Imperial assets. That is the duty of the sovereign power.

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Thgil Goldcore
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2012-01-08 21:11:55 UTC
So a Matari conducts an investigation and resorts to force immediately against concord forces. It attracts no attention from all the people who where so critical of my investigation. Funny isn't it.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
#28 - 2012-01-08 21:13:48 UTC
Thanks!
Ugleb
Jotunn Risi
#29 - 2012-01-08 21:15:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Ugleb
Thgil Goldcore wrote:
So a Matari conducts an investigation and resorts to force immediately against concord forces. It attracts no attention from all the people who where so critical of my investigation. Funny isn't it.


The number of Amarrian loyalist pilots rushing to condemn and accuse is amusing, isn't it?

And what did your own investigation turn up?

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Ragnar STS
Arcane Odyssey
Electus Matari
#30 - 2012-01-08 21:24:21 UTC
For all the Amarr loyalist capsuleers intent to accuse in this forum rather than give useful information:

We invite you to find superior CONCORD assets and technology under the control of Matari, Caldari, or Gallente personnel.

Find them.

The Sansha threat is a threat to ALL nations, and ALL lowsec factions, and ALL nullsec alliances.

Don't you think it slightly strange that the Amarr are in charge of this ongoing incursion fight, pushing around their CONCORD underlings? They are so secretive that they do not share information with the other governments. Obviously....we don't trust the Amarr and their blind belief systems.

CONCORD is supposed to be acting non-partial, supporting galactic law for all. The impression given here is that one nation is favored over the others, calling into question their charter.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#31 - 2012-01-08 21:24:36 UTC
Thgil Goldcore wrote:
So a Matari conducts an investigation and resorts to force immediately against concord forces. It attracts no attention from all the people who where so critical of my investigation. Funny isn't it.


Ahem.

Still seeing only what you want to see Captain?

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N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#32 - 2012-01-08 21:26:18 UTC
On a purely personal note, as a Matari and a Vherokior, I cannot see how this attack helps our people in any way.

**Vherokior **

N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#33 - 2012-01-08 21:28:10 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Thanks!


Need anymore be said?

**Vherokior **

Khazarn Areth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2012-01-08 21:28:40 UTC
The Matari are right to not trust CONCORD and the Imperial Loyalists, from all their most recent schemes and actions that much is obvious.

Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood

Borascus
#35 - 2012-01-08 21:31:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Borascus
I usually err on the side of neutrality when I observe incidents like this, and I intend to do so now.


Although the Amarrian's appear to be in charge a joint operation with DED / CONCORD would normally warrant a high ranking Amarrian as the Amarrian lead. I'd go so far to stipulate that an Amarrian rewarded with an Imperial Issue vessel is a quite normal allocation of command for something this influential.


The part that I do not find normal, and I do not speak for the Arek'Jaalan Project here, is that the force intending to repel a future Sansha attack has forbidden Arek'Jaalan researchers from assisting in the fight against Sansha's Nation.


I feel that given the Arek'Jaalan researchers' tendencies to mastery knowledge they would be a valuable asset in the fight. The exclusion of Arek'Jaalan pilots strikes me as labeling ALL Arek'Jaalan researchers as Sansha Sympathisers. This I do not accept.
Ugleb
Jotunn Risi
#36 - 2012-01-08 21:49:19 UTC
Borascus wrote:
Although the Amarrian's appear to be in charge a joint operation with DED / CONCORD would normally warrant a high ranking Amarrian as the Amarrian lead. I'd go so far to stipulate that an Amarrian rewarded with an Imperial Issue vessel is a quite normal allocation of command for something this influential.


I respectfully disagree, it is not normal at all for DED forces to be placed under the command of Empire, REpublic, State or Federation. CONCORD is supposedly the international law enforcement agency of our time, its jurisdiction spans all of its member states, with the probable exception of the Jove, if you want to be precise. CONCORD has the authority to deploy its forces at will.

This situation where DED vessels have been deployed to guard an Imperial-run facility under what seems to be Amarrian command is to my knowledge unprecedented.

As already helpfully highlighted by Myxx, one of Nation's foremost commanders is already well aware of that something is going on in Monalaz, as we can see from the communications he boastfully released himself. It is not Nation that have been kept in the dark all this time, its the rest of us.

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N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#37 - 2012-01-08 21:56:36 UTC  |  Edited by: N'maro Makari
Borascus wrote:
I usually err on the side of neutrality when I observe incidents like this, and I intend to do so now.


Although the Amarrian's appear to be in charge a joint operation with DED / CONCORD would normally warrant a high ranking Amarrian as the Amarrian lead. I'd go so far to stipulate that an Amarrian rewarded with an Imperial Issue vessel is a quite normal allocation of command for something this influential.


The part that I do not find normal, and I do not speak for the Arek'Jaalan Project here, is that the force intending to repel a future Sansha attack has forbidden Arek'Jaalan researchers from assisting in the fight against Sansha's Nation.


I feel that given the Arek'Jaalan researchers' tendencies to mastery knowledge they would be a valuable asset in the fight. The exclusion of Arek'Jaalan pilots strikes me as labeling ALL Arek'Jaalan researchers as Sansha Sympathisers. This I do not accept.


I'm going to point out the obvious here

Its because all it takes is one bright spark who stamps Arek'Jaalan all over everything who finds somethign moderately interesting but of no scientific significance and just goe ahead and spill everything over the public mailing list, and things like this happen.

This is all due to Arek'jaalan's indiscretion with information.

**Vherokior **

Myyona
Ataraxia Pharmacies
#38 - 2012-01-08 22:17:05 UTC
N'maro Makari wrote:
On a purely personal note, as a Matari and a Vherokior, I cannot see how this attack helps our people in any way.

I agree with this.

Sadly, the Elders set a bad precedence for many Matari.

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Kazzzi
Heathen Legion
#39 - 2012-01-08 22:18:45 UTC
U'K helping Sansha? Lol

I'm willing to bet that over the past eight years Ushra'Khan has destroyed more Nation ships and assets than every other Corp or alliance whose members have posted in this thread combined. Probably more than any other group here ever will. A few months ago people started to notice what a threat Sansha really is. We've known this for years and have been fighting them accordingly.

An utter lack of oversight has enabled Concord to pursue its pro-Imperial bias with impunity. The rest of the free universe should take notice before it's too late.
Diana Kim
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis CALSF
#40 - 2012-01-08 22:22:50 UTC
Ugleb wrote:

We call upon CONCORD to explain the actions of its forces and the involvement of these 'Justicars' within the DED. Why are DED forces guarding an Amarrian facility? Why is the Commander of this facility apparently an Imperial officer?


I'm not CONCORD, but, Im afraid, that their representatives won't answer on such questions here. Maybe, because the answers are too obvious. Let me remind you about current political situation.

1. Monalaz constellation IS Amarr territory. Amarr Empire has sovereign right to operate any facilities here.
2. Amarr Empire is lawful society and can request any support from CONCORD to defend its facilities from any known or unknown pirate threats.
3. DED involvement implies anti-pirate nature of facility under discussion.
4. What else commander except of Imperial officer did you expect to find in Imperial facility in Imperial space?

Well, I tried :) If you still have questions, I'd recommend you asking them in CONCORD educational center, I think they can explain things much better, than I.

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