Player Features and Ideas Discussion

while on a boring fleet this week i had a discussion what we would change to EVE to make it more fun to play.

one of the ideas we came up with was gate control.
let me explain:

a corp/alliance own sov for a system.
being the owner of that system, they can restrict access to that system by setting jumping permissions.
optional settings would include: hostiles/neutrals/blues, neutral and blue only, blue only.
other settings may be an option too, we just havent thought that far yet ;)

as a counter to this, as we cant have corps/alliances blocking starways entirely, a gate would be entosisable to unlock them for a short time.
my current figure for this would be around 5-10 minutes too unlock the gate, unlock duration at about 1 hour or more. the system owner gets a message that the gate is under "attack" and has a chance to form a fleet. thats the reason for short entosis time, we dont want to make it too easy for defenders.

as a secondary counter, we suggeted a chameleon ship(or module) that make the gate think its allowed in. that ship would be allowed to fit a cyno. this way you still can invade system and still cyno in ships.


in my opinion the whole reason for this to be a thing is this:

currently there is wide spread use of "neutral" scouts. also, the wardec system is kinda pointless as you can shoot anyone anywhere, if you are at war or not. what i would like to see is that if a corp/alliance gets a wardec, they can block access to anyone who doesnt belong in their system(neuts mostly). hostiles, or neuts for that matter, can still get in if they entosis the gate, if they are in/ have a chameleon or if they get a cyno in(spies ftw!).

to me this seems like a pretty cool system that makes for more content too.
anyway: discuss, curse, troll or do anything else, give me your opinion and suggestions are very welcome

well, this would make the life of nullbears even safer. it would also require all members of roaming-gangs to fit one of your chameleon-mods (special ship-hulls are a bad idea for a ton of reasons) unless you want to give your opponent an additional entosis-cycle to dock up. plus i really don't think we have to buff hotdrops in any way...

you can already bubble up your gates so that only nullified ships have a chance of getting through in a reasonable amount of time, that's safety enough if you ask me.

i really don't see how this generates content... except maybe for the bears. sorry, but -1 from me.

no it wouldnt, 1 guys with an entosis would be enough. crack the safe in a couple of minutes and your in.

ill admit there needs to be a limit to how many gates can be locked at the same time, cracking all the gates in an entire region would be bad.

ill put another spin on this: player made gates have been hinted at, is this system not suitable for those gates and maybe even jumpbridges?

in a couple of minutes even an non-aligned semiafk rorqual will be back at the station/POS....


Edit:
this system is already in place for jumpbridges, access is standing-based (iirc, i dont use them much). i don't know about player built gates, but providing almost completly safe space in null is definitely not the way to go...

since when do rorquals leave a POS?

by the time they crack the gate there might be a fleet waiting for them, if not... happy hunting. which brings me to my next point.

i thought about the caerbear safety concern you've mentioned. my suggestion is making only the outer gates of your sov viable for this. once youre in, youre in. no more locks, no more triggers, just happy hunting.

this gives content makers 2 options:
go in hot, break the door down and hope none is waiting for you so you can hunt all carebears which are stupid enough to still be out after the entry warning(which would be plenty considering the average ratter)

option 2: sneak a chameleon in, jump the fleet to him and rampage to your hearts content without giving any prior warning.

too add to this, i would like to have chameleons as a hull, maybe even with a role bonus that delays its reporting to local for a time(say 2 minutes). unless the player sends a chat message in local of course -.-

in my opinion this gives some meaning to wardecs and sov. wardecs currently are only used for highsec ganking and have no real meaning anywhere else.



just for the luls: what would you guys say about a gate setting that only allowes blues and hostiles through(corps/alliances that have a wardec on gate owner)

You own the system, not the gates. Eventually however null sec groups will be able to make their own stargates and do what you propose using them (most likely) so there's that to look forward to.

You can have your lockable gates, but at the cost of losing local chat.

and a increase to the number of Low sec to null WH's.

first off all, this is the ideas forum. if you got some, this is the place to post them, be them good or bad.

my own opinion is that this is a cool idea, as for the reactions... the idea might need some work.


btw null is safest, i think zkillboard begs to differ

or afk bears, who aint able to GTFO when +1 in local due to reactionspeed of a dead dog.
Because nobody afk mines/afk rats in nullsec, right?! right!

Sure, i do understand you. eve forums can be harsh, dont take it personally :)
We are just showing you the consequences of your idea... and in the end it would make the life of carebears easier, even though it wasn't your intention. That's what F&I is for, to get other peoples opinion on a matter, to see if an idea is really thought through from all possible angles, or if there are sideeffects the OP did not consider. like in this case.

back on topic:
If you consider that system your home, you'll actually have to defend it with a fleet, you'll have to fight for it constantly! There's no such thing as "calling dibs on a system"...

If the enemy just comes by to look for a fight, well, they'll leave again if they don't get a fight (this is extremely boring for everyone involved, i really don't want to encourage this behavior... but it works). Or you fleet up and defend your system, get a good fight!
If you can't match you opponent in numbers/ships, switch to cheap stuff (t1 destroyer, t1cruiser, whatever is at your disposal) and just win the isk-war. suicidegank one of their expensive ships, come out isk-positive, reship, repeat. this will drive them off. This is content, this is fun!

being able to lockdown the gates to a system is not 'content'. you're in that system alone and have all the peace you want. You can carebear at will, sure. But that's not what most of us consider content.

in PVP, time is of the essence. it is very important that you can surprise your enemy. Otherwise a lot of people will simply dock up and dont give you a fight (unless they outnumber you 10 to 1 of course). Or they will analyse your fleetcombo and hardcounter it.
You can already use scouts and/or intel-channels to make sure you get a warning while the enemy fleet is still a couple of jumps out. this is common practice and does not need a buff.

If you tackle an expensive ship in a anomaly/belt/.. you either get a juicy killmail or the enemy will fleet up and defend that ship. et voilà, content!
This will only work if you're fast enough though. Your idea will slow down roaming fleets considerably... and there goes your killmail, there goes your content.

Another aspect of your idea that you might not have considered is that part about "sneaking in a cyno". This is an advantage only available to people with access to a titan or at least a blackops ship. if you roam around, you'll most likely have neither of both in your gang. So this is not really an option in most situations and therefor will for sure not lead to more fights.