EVE General Discussion

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Once again I find my self searching for a corp. Having been a member since 2012 I still consider my self a noob in many areas. For the sake of this post, Isk making in particular. I will not create and pay for another account to earn isk. it's just not feasible. So I have 1 character and 1 account. So naturally I have to look for ways to earn isk and get my desired fix of PVP.

You have no idea how hard it is to carry a conversation with a so called recruiter. Perhaps you do. In any case, most conversations start civil and they give vague general information. How ever when you get down to specifics, the answers stay extremely vague, and depending on the area of space you're trying to get into, they can be extremely difficult to get an accurate answer.

I had 2 good examples just today. As I'm looking for a corp VIA a forum post. I was hit with the usual mails and private convos. One particular instance was from a worm hole corp. Having lived in worm holes a bit, and enjoyed it, I was not immediately turned off by the offer. However the previous WH corp I was accepted into was not accurate in their instructions for which ship to fly. I was told a Proteus would suffice. So, I trained to get into one. Joined, then found out the Proteus was only allowed to be use in one instance. Instead they told me to train to fly a Legion, they assured me I would be able to fly in all ops with that ship. SO today In a corps public chat the conversation went like this.

My final example happened today as well. A 4 day old character was in the Gallente merc chat. He was freaking out over getting podded like 3 times just by undocking. Come to find out he joined a corp who where miners/salvager but were also in faction war fare. So after the better part of an hour to explain to him he was podded because he traveled to a highly contended system and was killed by WT and taking him to Dodixie and advising him to leave his corp and find a "true noob friendly corp". Along with some tips on how to fly safer an what not. I decided to pause to right this post. And now my point.



It's great to see that the community has seemingly taken an interests in the "new bro experience". But is it really that easy for people to forget how it was? Before I could get that 4 day old charicters attention to accept my private convo, I had to battle through the posts of two trolls....Not even clever trolls. The comments where like this;
"Maybe if you knew how to fly."
"If you're four days old you shouldn't be flying."
And we all know how it went from there.

Trolls are gonna happen I understand. But who recruits a 4 day old character to faction war fare salvaging? For about a month or so I've started making the distinction between "New Bro housing" vs "New Bro Friendly" vs "New Bro Helping".
If your a new-ish player reading this than you have probably experience these kind of corps. Lets be clear none of these are bad, however, the distinction needs to be made. Simply because different people learn differently. New Bro housing is to accept a new player, answer their questions with a wiki link and hope they learn. New Bro friendly is to accommodating and give resources to aid them. Such as Skill book packs or even bonus isk for joining but ultimately expecting them to fend for them selves as far as creating content. One thing Eve at the moment is lacking is New Bro Helping. This is for people like me and that day 4. I admit I'm slow. Special Ed if you will ( I can say that 'cause I was). There are some people that need that extra guidance and information to know what needs to be done. So many times recruiters are so oblivious, it some times feels like your being trolled. So there's that.....

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One of the best ways to find a corporation that is willing to help is by actually doing things (even if you do them terribly) and meeting people along the way.

Expecting people to hold your hand and take you into the forest is not always going to pan out. Hell... sometimes it is even counter productive because the learning experience requires that you fail the first few times to fully realize the mentality behind succeeding.

I have helped a lot of newbies. A lot. And in my experience, the best way to help them is to provide them with knowledge and let them sort it out themselves. If they can't, give them guidance and shuffle them back out again. Rinse and repeat.

And if THAT doesn't work... well... EVE is not for everyone. The hard reality is that this game requires you to be adaptable and to learn by doing. Because everything that people do is constantly adapting to emerging tactics, threats, fits, and meta-games. It's a rat race. There is no clear cut answer. Only templates of modifications that have to also be modified to suit the context of the situation you are dealing with.

Knowledge is power. Mentoring is good. But intelligence and self-improvement will go MUCH further.

I am training T2 Tear Collector right now, and I think you should too

faction warfare mining corp. Hue. All that does is open up free kills on mining ships. One can support their faction warfare corp or faction of choice simply by mining for that group. They don't need to be actually enlisted in the faction itself to do it.

NPC corp.
Best corp.