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A Week of Exploration...Lessons Learned and Questions to Ask
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2015-12-12 23:44:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Tipa Riot
Daniela Doran wrote:


Relic Ceptors? Care to show a fit?

The original idea was invented by Jonny Pew / Sir Livingston, here is one of my versions:

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Ares

Damage Control II
Inertial Stabilizers II
Inertial Stabilizers II
Inertial Stabilizers II

5MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Scan Rangefinding Array II
Relic Analyzer II

Prototype Cloaking Device I
Core Probe Launcher II
Salvager I

Small Emission Scope Sharpener II
Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
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Please be aware, that flying an unbonused ship requires decent skills, the stats for me are: 1.8s align, 10 AU/s warp, scan strength 79 with sisters probes, and 130/30 for hacking. The restrained MWD is handy for those long Thera warps, and the dmc may help surviving a Smartbomb camp.

EDIT: this fit with probes is about 35m, hence dirt cheap, and almost uncatchable.

I'm my own NPC alt.
Altair Taurus
#22 - 2015-12-13 00:48:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
Yes! As I said before interceptor is very good choice if you want to explore in null-sec using gates to travel. Of course you should train Archeology to IV or V and maybe invest in Sisters Core Scanner Probe to gain more sensor strength but it would add 37 mil. ISK to your initial investment cost in this activity. Notice the best side of interceptor is large degree of safety in null-sec. I think much higher than cov-ops T2 exploration frigate (training time is exactly the same!).
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2015-12-13 04:30:43 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
magnum033 wrote:
What kind of sites do people run then in asteros?

I've just left wh space and use to catch people on wormholes all the time. However I never knew what kind of site they were looking for?

I was under the impression all the sites had some sort of combat NPC in them?

Thanks

Well, it's a Frigate so it's probably limited on which sites it can complete. Guess in a worm-hole it's probably being used to run the Pirate Hacking sites which don't have any NPC's on guard. I highly doubt it could stand up to Sleepers.

Daniela Doran wrote:
Can 2 Passive Lokis do 10/10s in NPC null space?

Wish I knew, I've never done any high level exploration sites in Null Sec.



DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2015-12-13 06:50:45 UTC
Altair Taurus wrote:
Yes! As I said before interceptor is very good choice if you want to explore in null-sec using gates to travel. Of course you should train Archeology to IV or V and maybe invest in Sisters Core Scanner Probe to gain more sensor strength but it would add 37 mil. ISK to your initial investment cost in this activity. Notice the best side of interceptor is large degree of safety in null-sec. I think much higher than cov-ops T2 exploration frigate (training time is exactly the same!).

Iirc, the sisters probe launcher takes me from 79 with T2 launcher to 83 strength, not worth doubling the price of the ship imo. But sisters core probes are a must, x8 are about 4m.

I'm my own NPC alt.
Altair Taurus
#25 - 2015-12-13 10:45:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
Tipa Riot wrote:

Iirc, the sisters probe launcher takes me from 79 with T2 launcher to 83 strength, not worth doubling the price of the ship imo. But sisters core probes are a must, x8 are about 4m.


iirc, the Sisters Core Probe Launcher! I think Sisters gear is worth it because T2 launcher requires much more training (Astrometrics V) and as I checked in EFT in my case Sisters Core Probe Launcher still offers better scan strength than those two (all launchers loaded with Sisters Core Scanner Probes):

T1 - 89.05
T2 - 92.92
Sisters - 97.34
Bulgr en Bauldry
Utama Incorporated
Astral Alliance
#26 - 2015-12-13 14:58:15 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Bulgr en Bauldry wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Ghost sites, as with many other data and relic sites are best completed with a cargo scanner. You will be able to get the most valuable loot.

5/10 DED sites can be in high sec if you are lucky following a Den Combat Anomaly.



And this is why i have to waste so much time scanning down and hacking cherrypicked sites. If you cherrypick in less than dire danger situation, you are hurting your income and everyones elses income, since the sites only re spawn somewhere else if they are completed.


I am keeping my income in stable as if everything form every site is taken then the massive influx of exploitation loot will cause the value of the loot to drop even further.

Plus if you are wasting your time finishing cherry picked sites, that gives me a better chance to grab the new sites as they spawn, so thanks for that at least.


Id guess im minority, so dont get too excited, if i were you id hope not to run into my own cherrypicked sites in long detours. Because it bloody sucks to scan things down for nothing. As for your flooding logic, i dont see how collecting 95% value of site and leaving 5% hanging there will reduce flood of anything. That logic only works if you digest your own cherrypicked sites later(or wait for others to spawn)

Anyway your post is inconsistent,claiming to save eve from flood of hack items, while secretly happy that after cherrypicking, there is someone who enables you to cherrypick even more. *boggle*

As for the flood, i think it already is here, ive been exploring in very many widely separated nullsec places and more often than not had competition for sites or simply no sites at all. So maybe it already is overexploited.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2015-12-13 21:31:33 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
I am keeping my income in stable as if everything form every site is taken then the massive influx of exploitation loot will cause the value of the loot to drop even further.

Plus if you are wasting your time finishing cherry picked sites, that gives me a better chance to grab the new sites as they spawn, so thanks for that at least.

Another classic example of the Min/Max Blitz Instant Gratification mentality currently plaguing this game. Basically Dire Straits = Money for nothing and the ISK for free.

Hopefully CCP will soon fix this problem by making Hacking containers impervious to scans, along with Overseer and Commander NPC's..



DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Ginnie
Doomheim
#28 - 2015-12-14 16:34:49 UTC
Altair Taurus wrote:
Ginnie: Try exploration in sparsely populated low-sec systems - best in Amarr space, because one third of Amarr Empire constitutes low-sec. I think this is much safer than traveling trough null-sec due to lack of bubbled gate camps while enjoying similarly unpopulated environment.

Anyway I suppose CCP nerfed DED sites spawn rate in low-sec! I have found no DEDs in low-sec for two days of exploration but large amount of wormholes and unrated sites instead.


First of all, I completely agree! There are many sparsely populated systems, in general, at lease where I hang around. I'd like to get a little more comfortable with the various sites in High Sec first, before moving into Low Sec. Also, I dont have the best skills for exploration at the moment either...I only have Astrometics to V I don't have any of the supprorting skills like Pinpointing. Also, Hacking and Archaeology is at I only.

It sounds plausible enough tonight, but wait until tomorrow. Wait for the common sense of the morning.
Ginnie
Doomheim
#29 - 2015-12-14 16:42:09 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Another classic example of the Min/Max Blitz Instant Gratification mentality currently plaguing this game. Basically Dire Straits = Money for nothing and the ISK for free.


Personally, I like doing a full clear, then looting and salvaging everything. I only play a couple hours a day at most and enjoy what I do. May be it's not the most efficient ISK per hour (running missions the way I do or doing a bit of exploration), but I am having fun.

And fun is what really matters.

It sounds plausible enough tonight, but wait until tomorrow. Wait for the common sense of the morning.
Altair Taurus
#30 - 2015-12-14 16:52:24 UTC
Astrometric support skills and Archeology/Hacking to III can be trained quickly
Altair Taurus
#31 - 2015-12-14 21:31:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
Tipa Riot wrote:
You want to be able to travel by wormholes like you used to travel by gates.


Not really! Today i traveled through 16 wormhole systems, scanned down all of them and found...no null-sec entrance wormhole! Twisted
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#32 - 2015-12-14 21:44:01 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Bulgr en Bauldry wrote:



And this is why i have to waste so much time scanning down and hacking cherrypicked sites. If you cherrypick in less than dire danger situation, you are hurting your income and everyones elses income, since the sites only re spawn somewhere else if they are completed.



Hurting everyone else's income is at least half the ******* point. Coupled with the time saved not hacking worthless cans, you're daft if you think this is anything but beneficial to your own income.

More intact armor plates and power circuits for me, defective current pumps for thee!

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Altair Taurus
#33 - 2015-12-15 00:23:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
My second attempt to enter null-sec was successful! After jumping through two wormhole systems I entered null-sec in Providence region and quickly returned back to safety. However it took me an hour to scan down signatures because wormhole systems usually have plenty of them (even over ten!)...that's a downside but in fact I did not meet any hostile action during five hours I spent in wormholes today in my Astero.

Of course traveling to null-sec via wormholes you cannot know where you eventually land. For pure exploration purposes that's not troublesome because exploration frigates can run data/relic sites everywhere in null-sec using the same fit. However combat exploration is much more "unfriendly" because without knowledge what rats you will be fighting it's really hard to fit T3 strategic cruiser and load proper missiles.
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#34 - 2015-12-15 03:28:54 UTC
Altair Taurus wrote:
Not really! Today i traveled through 16 wormhole systems, scanned down all of them and found...no null-sec entrance wormhole! Twisted

I had the same experience daytripping in WH's and then I found out about WH constellations and regions which helped me understand which WH's were worth diving into if I wanted to get to NS:

"Kirian actually figured out two really important pieces of information. Firstly, he found that even though it wasn’t shown in game very clearly, wormhole systems, just like every system in EVE, are in constellations, which are in regions. Some people had already discovered that all wormholes in a region were all the same class. Most importantly, he found that all wormholes in the same constellation had the same static wormhole type! This meant that once we jumped into a new wormhole, we knew where the static would lead, as long as we knew the static type for that constellation. Kirian spent two and a half months scanning random wormholes and figuring out most of the constellations, and we were able to quickly fill in the few holes in his data."

https://www.themittani.com/features/real-wormhole-god
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#35 - 2015-12-15 12:49:16 UTC
Bulgr en Bauldry wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Ghost sites, as with many other data and relic sites are best completed with a cargo scanner. You will be able to get the most valuable loot.

5/10 DED sites can be in high sec if you are lucky following a Den Combat Anomaly.



And this is why i have to waste so much time scanning down and hacking cherrypicked sites. If you cherrypick in less than dire danger situation, you are hurting your income and everyones elses income, since the sites only re spawn somewhere else if they are completed.

Just gross, its like eating a beef from hamburger, then moving on...to next one


This reminds me, I cherrypicked a lot of sites, simply because I get nervous when hanging around a site for too long. (I'm mostly exploring Low and NullSec.)

Then someone showed me this one neat trick to cut down travel time and risk in a site and I stopped cherrypicking. P
Altair Taurus
#36 - 2015-12-15 20:49:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
Yes, I've read about some advanced wormhole navigation technique but I do not know it at all. Frankly speaking w/o good tutorials and/or helpful software I won't even touch it.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2015-12-15 20:51:50 UTC
Altair Taurus wrote:
My second attempt to enter null-sec was successful! After jumping through two wormhole systems I entered null-sec in Providence region and quickly returned back to safety. However it took me an hour to scan down signatures because wormhole systems usually have plenty of them (even over ten!)...that's a downside but in fact I did not meet any hostile action during five hours I spent in wormholes today in my Astero.

Of course traveling to null-sec via wormholes you cannot know where you eventually land. For pure exploration purposes that's not troublesome because exploration frigates can run data/relic sites everywhere in null-sec using the same fit. However combat exploration is much more "unfriendly" because without knowledge what rats you will be fighting it's really hard to fit T3 strategic cruiser and load proper missiles.

https://www.eve-scout.com and base in Thera ... or a jump clone with ship in Provi or Stain. Scanning down random chains to nullsec is cumbersome ... at least http://wh.pasta.gg tells you if there is a nullsec static. Else if you start in high you should seek/progress for higher class holes, those have more likely a nullsec exit. The other way round if you want to get out of null. But as only Sansha regions, Blood raider for relics and maybe Etherium Reach (data sites with Augmented Gallente drones) are worth to explore, random exits are all but efficient.

I'm my own NPC alt.
Altair Taurus
#38 - 2015-12-15 23:45:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
So jump clone with exploration frigate placed in Thera and waiting for appearance of nice wormholes connecting Thera with interested null-sec regions? Theoretically it's a good idea but I am afraid those wormholes are heavily camped so not much improvement over gate-camped entrances to null-sec...

Anyway you are right that "blindscan" of wormhole chains is PITA because it is very time consuming and uncertain (random destination!) process.

Shiloh Templeton: You know, looking at something like this - https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Project_Atlas - put me right off studying wormhole's navigation very quickly! Ugh
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2015-12-16 19:02:58 UTC
Being afraid of risk/loss will not take you far in EvE ...

I'm my own NPC alt.
Altair Taurus
#40 - 2015-12-17 23:46:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
Maybe! That's why I have just sold my Tengu and Astero. Now solo exploration is pointless activity in EVE...
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