EVE General Discussion

Look man, you lost a shitfit hauler in low sec. 99.9% of the players in Eve would have killed your dumbass. It has nothing to do with the fact you are a miner, in fact there is no way in hell the guy that killed you knew were a miner. So to say there is hate for miners based off your loss is just childish. You were using poor tactics that is why you were killed, no other reason.

The shuttles we killed we players in our WH. They were not active, and had logged off in space inside of a recently aquired POS. As we destroyed the ships left inside the shield, we ran into a few of these shuttle that we had no idea were alive.

And did I not say that PVP is okay? As long as PVP players are going against one another. Like wars, invasions, etc.

Can you read? I said we had NO idea the shuttle has pilots in them, and since we PURCHASED the WH they were given plenty of time to leave. Not to mention to completely different circumstances.

"Yeah I can read.

Killing someone's ship is ok if you don't know you are killing someone's ship.

Ok. Got it this time.

How long should I give someone to leave before its ok to shoot their ship?

This is so confusing.

Any more rules I should abide by to make sure I only do acceptable pvp?

Maybe you can detail them all?[/quote]

Pretty sure I covered this topic. Perhaps reading and ANALYZING the whole thread will help.

Ahhh... so what your asking is to be completely safe... gotcha... go away.

How do you know you weren't killed in an invasion, how do you know the person who killed you doesn't want your WH.

As has been pointed out, all of Eve is competitive, all of Eve is PVP, there is no distinction between an industrialist and a PVP once you undock.

By undocking you are a PVP player, by undercutting on the market you are a PVP player, by mining you are denying others the minerals... it is all PVP.

Adapt and overcome. Eve success is based on climbing a pyramid that is made of other characters, tear down those above you and trample those below.

Players like you will be the destruction of eve. Ask any dev here if the game was build SOLELY for PVP, and that miners withhold minerals from others? That has to be the stupidest statement of the month.

Lets summarize the PVP we have covered since you seem unable to read and understand what I have said.

Random ganking in low and high of miners and industrialist = lazy scumbag

Ganking miners and industrialists in low and high sec as part of a war, or to strategically hurt THE ENEMY = GREAT! So long as you are at war and fighting the corp PVP as well

Roaming around killing miners and haulers because you are too lazy to go get real combat, = detriment to the economy

Breaching an alliances territory during wartime and attacking their "protected" miners = You are actually being productive

I know for a fact that I was killed by lazy scumbags, because their corp was not at war, they had no fight with me, or my corp.

I still cannot get over this - > by mining you are denying others the minerals... it is all PVP.

How about, by killing miners and haulers YOU are denying others the minerals. What do you think you in your battleship are gonna harvest the rocks, gas, ice, and moons? Not a chance. Without us there would be nothing. WE, the indy, are the only reason you have anything to gank us with, and the only reason you can PVP.

BTW did I mention how fun it would be to go head to head in massive fleets against rival alliances, battling for control of strategic systems, and new places for the hopefully indy part of your corp. This is how eve is supposed to work. This way, everything is a competition. On one side, the war front. On the other, covert ships cutting supply lines in and out of enemy space, on another is the market war. So yeah, EVE is competitive, but if it was meant just for PVP you would think that CCP would of had no reason to add mining barges, or freighters, or really anything else. EVE was created to be a complicated and strategic game. Instead a bunch of barbaric idiots have turned the game into nothing but kills, how many, and how much damage did I just cause to the economy for no reason?

If you think EVE is about PVP you are just plain wrong, and have obviously failed to see all sides of EVE. At this point I am being more understanding than anyone in this thread. I have said PVP can be good, everything can contribute, you dont have to mine, you dont have to ship things. But as a player in the sandbox of eve it is YOUR responsibility to preserve EVE, because there is a breaking point, and I fear we are approaching faster than ever.

i don't understand

how is one to recover one's ore which has been erronously placed in another's barge, whose owner refuses to relinquish the misplaced material to its rightful owner, except by shooting the barge

That's gotta be worth at least 8 points on the GD Bingo Card?



i've read it. my analysis is as follows:

You flew a hilariously badly fit hauler into Lowsec and got popped by an Orthrus. This gives rise to some pretty basic questions, like, did you or anyone in your corp scout the gate? You supposedly have 26 corpmates you can call upon for these sorts of things.

As to said spectacularly failfit Tayra. You chose to use precisely zero tank and no afterburner, despite a plethora of open slots simply yearning to be filled with these generally useful, ship saving devices.

So, you've made three stupendously bad decisions in quick succession and been given an ISK160m lesson in How To EVE as a result.

I suggest you learn from those mistakes, else you'll them again. Coming onto forums and bleating about nasty, nasty people simply provides delicious, live affirming tears to your killer and all those of us who would have gladly taken that shot at you in the same situation.

EDIT: Notice how even the Loot Fairy said YES!