Intergalactic Summit

And the circle of ignorance and violence surrounding the question of Amarrian slavery continues.

Someone please alert me if any interesting new arguments are made.

With all due respect for your traditions, and the sincerity of your beliefs within the Empire - you've yet to offer, in all the time since you first attacked us, a single piece of empirical proof that your deity even exists.

Please excuse me if, in the absence of supporting evidence that there's anything to grow closer to, I find your assertions of spiritual growth hollow, self-serving, and ultimately only fodder and justifications for a system that seeks to continue the dominance and privilege of those already at the top of a highly stratified society.

It certainly isn't. But how many of us are presuming to force our beliefs on others, and justifying it purely on 'because my belief says I should'? I'm not going to tell the Amarr they shouldn't believe in God. I don't have that right. And they don't have the right to enslave others in the name of forcing them to believe in God.

You speak of all these rights, from where do they come? Since you are so keen on this absurd empirical positive evidence standard, can you give me empirical evidence that they exist?

If you chose to look at all the signs of God and call them non-empirical, then that is your choice. It is, after all, your prerogative to continue to make poor choices. Of course, it is also your perogative to suffer the consequences of doing so.

The institution of slavery when properly administered has accomplished great good in the universe. It has redeemed many lost people and given them purpose in the universe. It has brought many back into the sphere of all that is good. It is a great and undeserved gift to those who have squandered the earlier gifts of God.

How did we get to murdering infants? Obviously murdering infants is a bad thing, and I have yet to meet any Amarr that would advocate otherwise.

Tell that to the children of Starkman Prime.

Crude.

How can you possibly make pronouncements about what rights Amarr has or does not have using this definition? It would seem by your own barbaric definition that if we are capable of doing something we have the right to do so.

Until it is. An entire world killed, because Idonis Ardishapur sought revenge on one man for the killing of another. Was there ever any fallout? Oh, everyone says it was bad, but billions were sentenced to death because of one murder. Was Ardishapur even slapped on the shiny metal wrist for billions of them?

Who is it that runs the Ammatar Mandate these days?

That's the sort of atrocity that's enabled by slavery. That's the sort of atrocity that happens when a savage, warlike people initiate unprovoked violence upon people who have been at peace for a thousand years. Who can't fight back. Who take centuries just to re-learn what 'fighting back' is.

The longest period of peace among any group in New Eden's history.

Cheering in the streets when the Empress and thousands of crew members were murdered in cold blood by Drifters.

Ask yourself: What do you have to do to turn the first event into the second. Who taught us to hate like that?

To be fair to our previous discussion I am not aware having made any statements that indicated whether I found the practice of slavery moral or ethical, for the most part I have attempted to avoid it as best possible so as not to remark on the sad ironies of our peoples historical conflicts. All I believe I added to this discussion was an opinion that I believe will prove the most expedient road to emancipation on a large scale.

You make a great many presumptions about assertions I haven't even made without even considering the great many political opinions surrounding the issue of slavery within the Empire or which I personally support. Moreover you oppose the Minmatar being judged for the sins of their ancestors and judge me for those of mine, an irony that is both saddening and yet amusing.

I will still win at black jack.