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Came back to the game, question about ganking frequency

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sinistara
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-12-09 00:59:40 UTC
So I've been out of the game for close to 5 years now and I figured I'd come back and give it a try, bought a mackinaw, set it up to mine and was watching netflix only kind of paying attention. The next thing I know Im getting ganked and podded. Which, whatever I can replace ships, but I played for almost two years and Im not sure I was ever ganked while mining in that time. Is this something that I should plan on happening regularly? Or am I just really unlucky to have this happen my first night back?
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#2 - 2015-12-09 01:03:54 UTC
Depending on how you fit your Mack, you where either unlucky or made yourself a prime target. Or both.

Fit for maximum tankage.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#3 - 2015-12-09 01:04:08 UTC
Mackinaws are a gank magnet, so if you are going to use one, semi-AFK is not the way.

If you want to semi-AFK mine, then use a Procurer and tank it. It'll take a bit longer to mine the same amount, but if you are doing other things anyway, then it's the better option.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#4 - 2015-12-09 01:05:33 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Mackinaws are a gank magnet, so if you are going to use one, semi-AFK is not the way.

If you want to semi-AFK mine, then use a Procurer and tank it. It'll take a bit longer to mine the same amount, but if you are doing other things anyway, then it's the better option.


This bears repeating.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Solonius Rex
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-12-09 01:32:18 UTC
sinistara wrote:
So I've been out of the game for close to 5 years now and I figured I'd come back and give it a try, bought a mackinaw, set it up to mine and was watching netflix only kind of paying attention. The next thing I know Im getting ganked and podded. Which, whatever I can replace ships, but I played for almost two years and Im not sure I was ever ganked while mining in that time. Is this something that I should plan on happening regularly? Or am I just really unlucky to have this happen my first night back?


A little of both. Ganking in general has increased a bit, but generally its always been a bad idea to afk-anything in eve for too long. Eventually the sins of the past catch up to you.

In any case, you should always plan for the worst, which means losing your ship. If you dont like the risk, then get a procurer/skiff, or buy a bunch of retreivers instead and hulltank it. But you have to remember that the chance of being ganked will never go away, and that risk will always increase if youre afk.
Elite Harvester
Elite Harvesters
#6 - 2015-12-09 01:59:26 UTC
sinistara wrote:
So I've been out of the game for close to 5 years now and I figured I'd come back and give it a try, bought a mackinaw, set it up to mine and was watching netflix only kind of paying attention.

I'm afraid this was your first mistake. Mackinaws aren't very sturdy mining ships and are vulnerable to being ganked by cheap, cost-efficient destroyers. If you intend on mining in a Mackinaw, Retriever, Hulk or Coveter I recommend paying more attention to the local chat channel and your directional scanner for content creators seeking to bring some excitement to your mining session. In short, AFK'ing is not good for the health of one's mining ship.
sinistara wrote:
Which, whatever I can replace ships, but I played for almost two years and Im not sure I was ever ganked while mining in that time. Is this something that I should plan on happening regularly? Or am I just really unlucky to have this happen my first night back?

In the time you have been away from New Eden a wise man by the name of James 315 has begun a revolution in Highsec. A revolution to create content and bring danger back into the "safe" part of space. The New Order of Highsec aims to rid New Eden of bot-aspirancy, AFK mining, AFK freighting and AFK mission running and create a more exciting, dangerous and all-around better experience in high security space for everyone. As a result of this effort highsec content creation and miner ganking is now a regular, everyday occurrence.

In the future I would also recommend purchasing a Mining Permit. Contact your local New Order of Highsec Agent for details.

Visit www.MinerBumping.com to find out how you can help save Highsec.

Solecist Project
#7 - 2015-12-09 02:00:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Elite Harvester wrote:
sinistara wrote:
So I've been out of the game for close to 5 years now and I figured I'd come back and give it a try, bought a mackinaw, set it up to mine and was watching netflix only kind of paying attention.

I'm afraid this was your first mistake. Mackinaws aren't very sturdy mining ships and are vulnerable to being ganked by cheap, cost-efficient destroyers. If you intend on mining in a Mackinaw, Retriever, Hulk or Coveter I recommend paying more attention to the local chat channel and your directional scanner for content creators seeking to bring some excitement to your mining session. In short, AFK'ing is not good for the health of one's mining ship.
sinistara wrote:
Which, whatever I can replace ships, but I played for almost two years and Im not sure I was ever ganked while mining in that time. Is this something that I should plan on happening regularly? Or am I just really unlucky to have this happen my first night back?

In the time you have been away from New Eden a wise man by the name of James 315 has begun a revolution in Highsec. A revolution to create content and bring danger back into the "safe" part of space. The New Order of Highsec aims to rid New Eden of bot-aspirancy, AFK mining, AFK freighting and AFK mission running and create a more exciting, dangerous and all-around better experience in high security space for everyone. As a result of this effort highsec content creation and miner ganking is now a regular, everyday occurrence.

In the future I would also recommend purchasing a Mining Permit. Contact your local New Order of Highsec Agent for details.

Revisionist history is still the best kind of history.

If you don't mine afk, people, there is nothing to worry about.
No need to pay, no need to sacrifice yield, nothing.

Please all remember that ganking activity is low,
that isk amounts destroyed express nothing about actual impact
and that one small group of gankers doesn't make the whole ganking scene.

Also... he didn't.


Propaganda. Sheesh...

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

ISD Buldath
#8 - 2015-12-09 02:03:04 UTC
As others have suggested, a Well tanked Procuror or even a Skiff. They can be very sturdy ships when setup correctly.

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Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#9 - 2015-12-09 02:54:04 UTC
1: Boredom is your worst enemy. Talk to a friend and/or browse the forums.
2: The greater the distance to a trade hub, the lower your chance of getting shot at. You will probably want a freighter to haul that much ore.
3: Gankers like ice belts.
4: Procurers aren't very squishy. They're even harder to kill with a damage control unit and mids full of shield hardeners. They aren't invulnerable, but they require quite a bit of firepower to take out. They're the fastest, hardest-hitting, tankiest, and hardest to scan down. They sometimes even take unsuspecting frigates down in lowsec.
5: Use directional scan to know what everybody else is doing. Catalysts, thrashers, and combat scanner probes are bad for you.
6: You have eyes and a brain. Explore the game and notice things.

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Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2015-12-09 02:59:06 UTC
Procurers are awesome. I've flown them into low sec PvP, scored kills with them, and even survived (sometimes).

Also: Just become the Ganker! But if not, fly a Procurer.
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#11 - 2015-12-09 03:07:00 UTC  |  Edited by: malcovas Henderson
Gank are in a location. Avoid locations that are high in ganks. I fly hulks and an orca in relative safety, because I am never afk. Run when anything suspicious comes along. Only bads get ganked.
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#12 - 2015-12-09 03:12:44 UTC
Fly something that's less tasty as a target. Flashy T2 Exhumers like the Mackinaw make a tasty killmail and people will shoot at them on that basis alone.

The humble T1 Procurer is, imho, the best option in most circumstances, with the sole exception of Gas harvesting, where the mighty Venture reigns supreme.

A properly tanked Procurer requires a significant number of gank Catalysts to pop and is far less of a target for that reason. Even better is being in your humble Procurer, surrounded by Hulks or Mackinaws. Any Gank Squad worth it's salt won't be coming after you first.

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Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
#13 - 2015-12-09 04:09:05 UTC
I don't always movie mine, but when I do I fly a skiff in a quiet little corner of the galaxy.

♪ They'll always be bloodclaws to me ♫

Amarrchecko
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2015-12-09 04:48:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Amarrchecko
There are TONS of things you can do to reduce the risk of getting ganked.

The biggest thing, in my opinion, is just not becoming a target in the first place. Use dotlan to find a very quiet system to go mine in. The fewer people that spend any time in the system or pass through it (hint, systems down dead ends), the lower your chance of even being seen by a ganker let alone ending up as that ganker's target.

Beyond that, paying attention is the next best bet. But of course not everyone wants to watch dscan and mine aligned all the time or whatever. No worries though. Peruse a killboard and look for everyone who dies to concord while in a catalyst. Set those corps/alliances to bad standing so you have help watching local. Being in a more quiet system helps here too, cause it makes it easier to keep tabs on local when you're normally the only one there.

Then there's your fit and system security. A tougher tank and a faster Concord response time (from a higher sec system) both mean the ganker(s) will need more skills, more expensive mods, and/or more accounts involved in order to kill you. Even a covetor can stand up to a few catalysts without dying if you're mining in a .9 and rocking the best tank you can fit, let alone a procurer with just a DCU II as its only tank in a .9. Other options: ECM mids and/or ECM drones; it's pretty easy to jam a catalyst, and that is probably all it will take to ensure Concord kills them before they kill you. The higher sec system ores are just as good as the .5 ones nowadays (I think?), so the only con to the MUCH faster concord response times is that the asteroids are a bit smaller and pop quicker.

There's a ton of other tricks, but these are most of what I've employed when I've mined in high sec to never even be targetted by a ganker, let alone actually killed by one.
Loutro Fift
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#15 - 2015-12-09 05:50:10 UTC
Code gankers aren' the smartest bunch. They tend to roam the same places day in day out. They are predictable. They avoid confrontation with non-miners.

Do as every one else mentioned; find a null-sec region, watch your dscan, add gankers to your contact list. Bookmark the crap out of systems you mine in. Gankers can't be everywhere at once.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2015-12-09 05:55:34 UTC
Just find somewhere quiet.

If your really paranoid, AFK cloak in the system for like 3 weeks so any regulars get used to seeing you in local and give up bothering to scan you down.
Tisiphone Dira
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-12-09 07:15:19 UTC
It looks like you were taken out by a combined CODE./Goon fleet.

Take a moment to think about where you were and what you were doing to bring this down upon yourself.

I assure you that this was entirely avoidable.

And yes, ganking is up, you're welcome - CODE & James 315

There once was a ganker named tisi

A stunningly beautiful missy

To gank a gross miner

There is nothing finer, cept when they get all pissy

Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#18 - 2015-12-09 07:34:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Ima Wreckyou
Preparation goes a long way when starting to mine in a new location. Next time you should probably ask your fellow compliant miners first "who owns this place?" and "what is the local law if I want to mine here?". Obviously in your case the answers are: "James 315 and the New Order of Highsec" and "follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct and get a minjng permit".
Lan Wang
African Atomic.
Dreadnought Diplomacy.
#19 - 2015-12-09 08:22:42 UTC
try gatecamping, its a better afk activity Cool

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Solecist Project
#20 - 2015-12-09 08:25:26 UTC

She looks familiar to that one with the agenda, that constantly posts about ganking.

I'll report her just so it's noted and checked..

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

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