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Luke Skywalking
C0NC0RD Branch Office
#1 - 2015-12-08 01:55:51 UTC
Hi all! I'm a new player 11 days into the game and I'm loving every moment of it.

Have been doing level 2 security missions in my Thorax and realised I should do salvaging to squeeze some extra isk out of my wrecks... therefore I modified my catalyst to the role of a salvager and have been cleaning up the mess after every two missions or so..

I find this not so efficient and rewarding as some players have been salvaging and told me it's a lucrative business and earning up to 60million a day. I have been working hard and slogging it out but only able to reach 15% of that.. am I doing it wrong? Or is there any way to do it better?

If I were to take my catalyst and enter a wormhole and do salvaging and relic hunting.. how should I fit my ship? Is it advisable?

Thank you for your advices in advance.

No one method is the right method, nor the wrong method.
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#2 - 2015-12-08 02:58:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Mephiztopheleze
Luke Skywalking wrote:
Hi all! I'm a new player 11 days into the game and I'm loving every moment of it.

Have been doing level 2 security missions in my Thorax and realised I should do salvaging to squeeze some extra isk out of my wrecks... therefore I modified my catalyst to the role of a salvager and have been cleaning up the mess after every two missions or so..

I find this not so efficient and rewarding as some players have been salvaging and told me it's a lucrative business and earning up to 60million a day. I have been working hard and slogging it out but only able to reach 15% of that.. am I doing it wrong? Or is there any way to do it better?

If I were to take my catalyst and enter a wormhole and do salvaging and relic hunting.. how should I fit my ship? Is it advisable?

Thank you for your advices in advance.


OK, first up, 60m ISK a day isn't "lucrative" by any means. Back in my newbro days (14 odd months ago), I too did the salvaging thing to make some ISK while my skills trained up.

I would go to a busy ratting pocket in my alliances 0.0 space and ask in Local if anyone minded me looting and salvaging their sites. Those who said "sure", I'd warp to their site and deploy an Mobile Tractor Unit to hoover up the wrecks. Bookmark the MTU and forget about it for a little while.

I would then bookmark EVERY site from the Probe Scanner window in each system in the pocket (3-4 systems). Keep an eye on the probe scanner and my bookmarks. When a site no-longer appeared in the Probe window, I'd warp to my bookmark and, if ther were wrecks, deploy and MTU and BM it.

I think my record was deploying some ~50 MTUs one afternoon (well, I had 10 of them, so each deployed 5 times). The loot and salvage from all of these sites came to nearly a billion ISK. Yes it was as tedious and mindnumbingly boring as it sounds. I'm not sure you'd get the same kind of return on effort in HiSec (actually, I'd be AMAZED if you did). EDIT: I used a Nereus to haul loot and deploy MTUs and a Salvage fit Coercer to do the actual salvage).

You can drop an MTU from your Thorax, bookmark it, and come back every few missions to collect it and the loot therein. The value is not so much in the loot itself, but in the minerals that can be gained by melting down the mods. There are exceptions, like Internal Forcefield Arrays (Meta 4 Damage Control) and others. So keep the valuables and melt the rest down (use evepraisal.com)

Now as for Wormholes.......

Before you can loot and salvage the Sleeper wrecks, you're going to need to kill said Sleepers.

This is NOT a job for a Catalyst, nor is it a job for a Thorax (nice choice of ship BTW, I enjoy flying that boat).

You're going to need something distinctly more potent and durable as Sleepers can hit very, very hard.

Personally, I use a prop'less passive tank shield Gila in a wormhole, although Vexor Navy Issues will also do the job if fit right. The important bit is Capacitor. Many Sleepers will use an energy neutraliser on you, so capacitor dependent tanks or weapons can leave you in a bit of a bind.

In my wormhole adventures, I kill the sleepers with my Gila, drop the MTU then return in a Salvage Catalyst to collect the loot and do the salvage. Just stick a core probe launcher (pretty much EVERY ship in a wormhole should have a probe launcher on it, no exceptions. I have them on my gas harvesting Ventures) and seven salvagers on the Catalyst and it's a perfectly serviceable 'Noctis'. Salvage Tackle Rigs are just an extra, very useful, bonus. Mind you, I have a POS tower setup in said wormhole, so it's quick and easy to swap ships.

Mash your D-Scan religiously and never, under any circumstances, talk in Local Chat in a wormhole (unless you really, REALLY know what you're doing).

My main advice for a keen young newbro like yourself would be to join one of the newbie friendly corporations sponsored by the major power blocs. KarmaFleet and Pandemic Hoard are both excellent organisations run by people of vast experience. The free skillbook programs along with solid Ship Replacement Policies make losing ships a much less painful exercise.

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Luke Skywalking
C0NC0RD Branch Office
#3 - 2015-12-08 12:00:04 UTC
Mephiztopheleze..

Thanks for your effort and your reply gave me a clearer picture of what I should be doing .

I did not realise I can just leave MTUs along the way and come pick them up. (Its 6 million per MTU and I just bought one today lol)

I will research more into the ships you mention and try to improve my methods.

Thanks a lot. really appreciate it.

No one method is the right method, nor the wrong method.
Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2015-12-08 12:33:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Azda Ja
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17cNu8hxqJKqkkPnhDlIuJY-IT6ps7kTNCd3BEz0Bvqs/pubhtml#

Great tool for WH sites that tells you how much damage you need to tank to survive, whether there's neuts, webs, or scrams. I've done C1 and 2 Sites in a Confessor, so you should be able to do them no problem in a Passive Gila as Meph mentioned. They can handle C3s as well, but with them being nerfed today (losing a lowslot and 20 CPU) you may want to hold off on trying C3s for a while. I'm very paranoid and cautious when it comes to PVE, so I went to the test server to play around with fits, and get used to the site before I moved into our C3 (like 2 weeks ago).

Personally, I ended up settling on a Tengu. That's easy for me to decide on though since I've been around for a while now, and have the skills (SP and RL) to support using it. Even so, I'm still half pooping myself every time I have 2 sleep battleships shooting at me and have had to warp out and back due to my own mistakes. In the meantime, the Gila may still work but losing that low slot is going to hurt it. A Drake seems to be the go to recommendation for people. I can't really comment on it though since I can't even sit in a Drake quite yet.

If you want to get start doing WH sites, the best tip for you right now is to be to bring a friend. Running these sites solo is absolutely brutal, and it takes a while, making it more likely someone will come along and gank you (hence the D-Scan spam). Having two people split the damage, or at least take the aggro in turns, makes things so much easier.

All that said, WH PVE is the only type of 'ratting' I've done that I kind of enjoy. Part of it is I know I'm getting a decent payout at the end, and the other is that I DON'T know what's going to happen in the next few seconds. Definitely recommended.

Here is a Gila fit that could work for you. C3s may be difficult (extremely) alone, but as a group 'should' work:

[Gila, C3 - Full Tank]

[Empty Low slot]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Pithum C-Type Thermal Dissipation Amplifier
Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier

Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I

Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II


Hammerhead II x2
Infiltrator II x2


Scourge Light Missile x2500
Mobile Tractor Unit x1

It goes without saying that this is an expensive ship for a young character. I wouldn't recommend going for it until you can afford to replace it once or twice over, preferably twice. The Rigs are particularly expensive. Go for the T1 versions if doing C2s.

NB: Pyfa hasn't updated yet which is why there's a fourth empty low slot.

If you have Powergrid issues due to SP, you can downgrade the Rapid Missile Launchers to Light Missile Launchers. Now I'm not particularly happy with this fit due to the lack of propulsion module (escape/ mitigation tool), and the fact that Sleepers murder drones. But in my tests it could handle C3 anoms, albeit slowly. You could switch out the lows for Drone Damage Amps, add a prop mod, and be able to power through C2s pretty easily. In fact, I think it would likely be more efficient for you to do it that way when starting than trying to solo the C3 anoms. Now, even though it's slow as hell, do not forget to orbit something to mitigate some of the damage, every little bit counts.

This is by no means the best fit, someone may have better, but it's pretty easy to use and forgiving in the SP department. Nothing requires cap, so no matter how many neuts are on you, you still have DPS and tank.


Long story short: go for it! Start small, and work your way up. Where's there's a will, there's a way, and finally, to quote CCP Guard: 'the best ship is Friendship'.

EDIT: Added Fitting

Grrr.
Solai
Doughfleet
Triglavian Outlaws and Sobornost Troika
#5 - 2015-12-08 12:57:23 UTC
60 mil per day is, actually, decent enough when you're only a few days into the game. So don't get too starstruck by huge payout figures just yet. Just about everything in Eve is as lucrative as you are familiar with the game. And since you're not that familiar, few things will be highly lucrative. But salvage isn't a bad place to start. That's where I got my start - salvaging other people's combat ops with a destroyer. It evolved me into making my income solely via markets, as I can't stand missions and ratting.

One thing you can do to increase your salvage income is to wait till you've got a good boatload, haul it to where there's high volume of trading(like Jita or Amarr), and post sell-orders. You'll get better income than just offloading to other peoples' buy orders. It's less immediate, but it's more effective.

Down the road, you could even use the salvage to construct rigs, potentially increasing your return. Maybe. But things like this, you've got to run the numbers, as it's a complex economy. So best save that for later.

Good luck.
Luke Skywalking
C0NC0RD Branch Office
#6 - 2015-12-09 01:14:55 UTC
Gee thanks people.. you know the thing that surprises me about this MMO is the number of sincere and helpful players out there willing to share information and help each other out. Well I've been ganked when I was 4 days old and lost a significant amount of earnings. But rebuilding was made easy with help from a lot of strangers and new found friends likewise.

Thanks for the fitting Azda and your valuable insights... and Solai for being so encouraging.

Things are becoming clearer to me now and I am planning meticulously and taking things a step at a time. See you guys around .

No one method is the right method, nor the wrong method.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2015-12-09 02:06:27 UTC
Luke Skywalking wrote:

I did not realise I can just leave MTUs along the way and come pick them up. (Its 6 million per MTU and I just bought one today lol)

MTUs are very easy to probe down. Wrecks can not be probed no matter what.

In high population high sec missioning systems there are often people scanning for missioners so that they can either invade their mission and look for trouble or bookmark their mission pockets and come back and loot / salvage them later.

Shooting an MTU in high sec will not get a concord response and I don't even think there is a sec status hit for that ( however I am not certain ). You only get an engagement timer for that. Therefore MTUs in high sec will often get shot, especially in busy mission hubs.

MTUs work great in blue null sec.

Also low level missions don't have all that much loot and salvage and typically are not worth all that much. There are exceptions but in most cases not so much. People talking about making lots of isk as a new player looting / salvaging are doing so by looting / salvaging higher end sites that someone else has cleared.

In almost all cases you can make more isk per hour speed running sites than you can cleaning up after yourself. Where this gets turned on it's head is when you have a high skill point player speed running sites and leaving the wrecks behind and then a low skill point player cleaning up the other players sites. For the high skill point player he can make more isk by running more sites. The same would be true for the low skill point player if he were cleaning up sites that he was clearing. But if you are only capable of completing level 2 missions by yourself but can clean up level 4 missions for someone else then you are better off cleaning up someoneelse's level 4's than running your own level 2s.

Of course this is a game and we often have to remind players that the key currency in this game is fun / hour not isk / hour. So many other games have gotten us used to a game being like a job that we sometimes forget that games are supposed to be fun. I mean you get paid money to be at work. You pay money to play a game. So to me the game should be fun or CCP should be paying me to play ( or Blizzard as the case may beShocked or EA or Square Enix or whomever)

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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#8 - 2015-12-09 02:08:49 UTC
Luke Skywalking wrote:
Gee thanks people.. you know the thing that surprises me about this MMO is the number of sincere and helpful players out there willing to share information and help each other out. Well I've been ganked when I was 4 days old and lost a significant amount of earnings. But rebuilding was made easy with help from a lot of strangers and new found friends likewise.


It's a cliche, but it's also the absolute truth: The Best Ship in EVE is The Good Ship Friendship.

Good luck mate and fly dangerous!

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#9 - 2015-12-09 04:03:24 UTC
ergherhdfgh wrote:
Luke Skywalking wrote:

I did not realise I can just leave MTUs along the way and come pick them up. (Its 6 million per MTU and I just bought one today lol)

MTUs are very easy to probe down. Wrecks can not be probed no matter what.

In high population high sec missioning systems there are often people scanning for missioners so that they can either invade their mission and look for trouble or bookmark their mission pockets and come back and loot / salvage them later.

Shooting an MTU in high sec will not get a concord response and I don't even think there is a sec status hit for that ( however I am not certain ). You only get an engagement timer for that. Therefore MTUs in high sec will often get shot, especially in busy mission hubs.

MTUs work great in blue null sec.

Also low level missions don't have all that much loot and salvage and typically are not worth all that much. There are exceptions but in most cases not so much. People talking about making lots of isk as a new player looting / salvaging are doing so by looting / salvaging higher end sites that someone else has cleared.

In almost all cases you can make more isk per hour speed running sites than you can cleaning up after yourself. Where this gets turned on it's head is when you have a high skill point player speed running sites and leaving the wrecks behind and then a low skill point player cleaning up the other players sites. For the high skill point player he can make more isk by running more sites. The same would be true for the low skill point player if he were cleaning up sites that he was clearing. But if you are only capable of completing level 2 missions by yourself but can clean up level 4 missions for someone else then you are better off cleaning up someoneelse's level 4's than running your own level 2s.

Of course this is a game and we often have to remind players that the key currency in this game is fun / hour not isk / hour. So many other games have gotten us used to a game being like a job that we sometimes forget that games are supposed to be fun. I mean you get paid money to be at work. You pay money to play a game. So to me the game should be fun or CCP should be paying me to play ( or Blizzard as the case may beShocked or EA or Square Enix or whomever)



As someone that likes shooting MTUs in highsec to try to provoke people into attacking me, I know a little about this subject.

There's a derived statistic (signature radius divided by sensor strength) that determines how hard objects (including MTUs and player ships) are to scan down.

For the three types of MTUs (tech 1, Packrat, Magpie), it's (IIRC) 6, 3 and 1, with low numbers being harder to scan.

A lowskilled character that is inexperienced with probing can realistically probe down items where the ratio is 4 or higher fairly quickly, and 2-4 with patience. Getting a Magpie, however - that takes three of the following five:

- Good character skills in scanning (SP)
- Boosts to scanning from equipment (Sisters probes, etc)
- Considerable player skills
- Determination
- 'Virtue' implants (which add to scanning)

Shooting an MTU is a Crimewatch yellow card - which basically removes all of the highsec protections from your character for 15 minutes. Anyone can shoot you without consequence (although you can retalliate if they shoot first). Basically people can shoot at you as though you were in no sentry gun areas of lowsec but you gain no new ability to start fights.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#10 - 2015-12-09 04:06:59 UTC
Luke Skywalking wrote:
Gee thanks people.. you know the thing that surprises me about this MMO is the number of sincere and helpful players out there willing to share information and help each other out. Well I've been ganked when I was 4 days old and lost a significant amount of earnings. But rebuilding was made easy with help from a lot of strangers and new found friends likewise.

Thanks for the fitting Azda and your valuable insights... and Solai for being so encouraging.

Things are becoming clearer to me now and I am planning meticulously and taking things a step at a time. See you guys around .



We are sincere and helpful to the newbies, because we firmly believe in fattening up the prey before (trying) for the slaughter.

One of my associates recently ganked a player not realising they were a 2 day old newb. We gave the gankee a lowskill gank fitted Atron and 5 million ISK to buy more of them, and told him that if he ganked 10 ventures (including failed attempts) we'd give him 50 million more ISK.

Which I did. Last I saw he was having a blast.

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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#11 - 2015-12-09 04:32:05 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
One of my associates recently ganked a player not realising they were a 2 day old newb. We gave the gankee a lowskill gank fitted Atron and 5 million ISK to buy more of them, and told him that if he ganked 10 ventures (including failed attempts) we'd give him 50 million more ISK.

Which I did. Last I saw he was having a blast.


OMG, that's the most hilarious thing I've read in a while. I'm sure he's having a hell of a time.

Nice.

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Luke Skywalking
C0NC0RD Branch Office
#12 - 2015-12-09 11:02:40 UTC
ergherhdfgh wrote:
Luke Skywalking wrote:

I did not realise I can just leave MTUs along the way and come pick them up. (Its 6 million per MTU and I just bought one today lol)

MTUs are very easy to probe down. Wrecks can not be probed no matter what.

In high population high sec missioning systems there are often people scanning for missioners so that they can either invade their mission and look for trouble or bookmark their mission pockets and come back and loot / salvage them later.

Shooting an MTU in high sec will not get a concord response and I don't even think there is a sec status hit for that ( however I am not certain ). You only get an engagement timer for that. Therefore MTUs in high sec will often get shot, especially in busy mission hubs.

MTUs work great in blue null sec.

Also low level missions don't have all that much loot and salvage and typically are not worth all that much. There are exceptions but in most cases not so much. People talking about making lots of isk as a new player looting / salvaging are doing so by looting / salvaging higher end sites that someone else has cleared.

In almost all cases you can make more isk per hour speed running sites than you can cleaning up after yourself. Where this gets turned on it's head is when you have a high skill point player speed running sites and leaving the wrecks behind and then a low skill point player cleaning up the other players sites. For the high skill point player he can make more isk by running more sites. The same would be true for the low skill point player if he were cleaning up sites that he was clearing. But if you are only capable of completing level 2 missions by yourself but can clean up level 4 missions for someone else then you are better off cleaning up someoneelse's level 4's than running your own level 2s.

Of course this is a game and we often have to remind players that the key currency in this game is fun / hour not isk / hour. So many other games have gotten us used to a game being like a job that we sometimes forget that games are supposed to be fun. I mean you get paid money to be at work. You pay money to play a game. So to me the game should be fun or CCP should be paying me to play ( or Blizzard as the case may beShocked or EA or Square Enix or whomever)





Actually I was lucky to meet a few nice players willing to allow me to tag along clearing up their space garbage. Never in my life I am so happy to be a garbage collector. Yeah it's more lucrative as I just tag along while they clear up the hordes.. but I don't request to do so ever that often unless they offer.. don't wanna impose on them.

But thanks. Your reply and advices just gave me an idea and I'm gonna try scouting for missioners. :)

No one method is the right method, nor the wrong method.
Luke Skywalking
C0NC0RD Branch Office
#13 - 2015-12-09 11:04:39 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Luke Skywalking wrote:
Gee thanks people.. you know the thing that surprises me about this MMO is the number of sincere and helpful players out there willing to share information and help each other out. Well I've been ganked when I was 4 days old and lost a significant amount of earnings. But rebuilding was made easy with help from a lot of strangers and new found friends likewise.

Thanks for the fitting Azda and your valuable insights... and Solai for being so encouraging.

Things are becoming clearer to me now and I am planning meticulously and taking things a step at a time. See you guys around .



We are sincere and helpful to the newbies, because we firmly believe in fattening up the prey before (trying) for the slaughter.

One of my associates recently ganked a player not realising they were a 2 day old newb. We gave the gankee a lowskill gank fitted Atron and 5 million ISK to buy more of them, and told him that if he ganked 10 ventures (including failed attempts) we'd give him 50 million more ISK.

Which I did. Last I saw he was having a blast.



I was ambushed once when doing mining in my venture but I came out unscathed. I wonder if that was your friend's minions doing...

No one method is the right method, nor the wrong method.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#14 - 2015-12-09 23:00:27 UTC
Luke Skywalking wrote:


I was ambushed once when doing mining in my venture but I came out unscathed. I wonder if that was your friend's minions doing...



Successfully ganking Ventures and ESPECIALLY Prospects requires somewhat in depth understanding of tracking mechanics that don't usually come up in other gank situations, and different fits to other ganks. Broadly speaking we aren't good at it.

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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2015-12-10 01:37:17 UTC
Luke Skywalking wrote:

Actually I was lucky to meet a few nice players willing to allow me to tag along clearing up their space garbage. Never in my life I am so happy to be a garbage collector. Yeah it's more lucrative as I just tag along while they clear up the hordes.. but I don't request to do so ever that often unless they offer.. don't wanna impose on them.

I can only speak for myself here. But I am a loot whore. A loot whore to the point of near OCD. When I was running missions in high sec I would always clean up my missions, not because it was good isk but because I could not bear to see the wrecks get "wasted". I could make more isk just running the sites but my OCD would not allow it.

So for me when I had a player willing to follow me around and clean up my sites I was more than happy to let them do it because then I could just run the sites and not worry about having to stop and loot. As long as someone was making use of the wrecks my OCD was satiated.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#16 - 2015-12-10 03:31:43 UTC
ergherhdfgh wrote:
Luke Skywalking wrote:

Actually I was lucky to meet a few nice players willing to allow me to tag along clearing up their space garbage. Never in my life I am so happy to be a garbage collector. Yeah it's more lucrative as I just tag along while they clear up the hordes.. but I don't request to do so ever that often unless they offer.. don't wanna impose on them.

I can only speak for myself here. But I am a loot whore. A loot whore to the point of near OCD. When I was running missions in high sec I would always clean up my missions, not because it was good isk but because I could not bear to see the wrecks get "wasted". I could make more isk just running the sites but my OCD would not allow it.

So for me when I had a player willing to follow me around and clean up my sites I was more than happy to let them do it because then I could just run the sites and not worry about having to stop and loot. As long as someone was making use of the wrecks my OCD was satiated.



I was like that too back in my mission running days.

Even now that I'm much more into highsec piracy, alliance logistics and economic warfare, I still keep on top of PVE by setting aside some (painful) time to do it now and again, and I always find it hard to not loot.

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Luke Skywalking
C0NC0RD Branch Office
#17 - 2015-12-10 11:02:37 UTC
ergherhdfgh wrote:
Luke Skywalking wrote:

Actually I was lucky to meet a few nice players willing to allow me to tag along clearing up their space garbage. Never in my life I am so happy to be a garbage collector. Yeah it's more lucrative as I just tag along while they clear up the hordes.. but I don't request to do so ever that often unless they offer.. don't wanna impose on them.

I can only speak for myself here. But I am a loot whore. A loot whore to the point of near OCD. When I was running missions in high sec I would always clean up my missions, not because it was good isk but because I could not bear to see the wrecks get "wasted". I could make more isk just running the sites but my OCD would not allow it.

So for me when I had a player willing to follow me around and clean up my sites I was more than happy to let them do it because then I could just run the sites and not worry about having to stop and loot. As long as someone was making use of the wrecks my OCD was satiated.



Lol... I totally know what you mean.. that's the problem with me too... every bit counts in the beginning and I'm gonna squeeze the max out of the returns..

I'll try to hit you up in game... but let me first try to remember your IGN lol

No one method is the right method, nor the wrong method.
Luke Skywalking
C0NC0RD Branch Office
#18 - 2015-12-10 11:03:52 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
ergherhdfgh wrote:
Luke Skywalking wrote:

Actually I was lucky to meet a few nice players willing to allow me to tag along clearing up their space garbage. Never in my life I am so happy to be a garbage collector. Yeah it's more lucrative as I just tag along while they clear up the hordes.. but I don't request to do so ever that often unless they offer.. don't wanna impose on them.

I can only speak for myself here. But I am a loot whore. A loot whore to the point of near OCD. When I was running missions in high sec I would always clean up my missions, not because it was good isk but because I could not bear to see the wrecks get "wasted". I could make more isk just running the sites but my OCD would not allow it.

So for me when I had a player willing to follow me around and clean up my sites I was more than happy to let them do it because then I could just run the sites and not worry about having to stop and loot. As long as someone was making use of the wrecks my OCD was satiated.



I was like that too back in my mission running days.

Even now that I'm much more into highsec piracy, alliance logistics and economic warfare, I still keep on top of PVE by setting aside some (painful) time to do it now and again, and I always find it hard to not loot.



I just got my noctis today.. gonna clean em all up

No one method is the right method, nor the wrong method.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#19 - 2015-12-10 11:12:50 UTC
Luke Skywalking wrote:


I just got my noctis today.. gonna clean em all up


Yep the Noctis will work. Be aware that my, uh, associates do love probing down and suicide ganking Noctii.

Personally I found I got better results from using a turret ship that had a 25m^3 drone bay to run the PVE content, launching an MTU as soon as I entered, and launching salvage drones as soon as there were no dangerous NPC frigates left on grid.

While it's not a beginner ship (at all), the Kronos is incredible at this as it is so tanky that it can mission while completely PVP fit.

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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#20 - 2015-12-10 22:11:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Iria Ahrens
Are noctis so expensive they are worth suicide ganking now? Or is it all about the angst?

Just getting back into Eve. I finally have stable internet again. o/ Sabriz.

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