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Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
SL33PERS
#81 - 2015-12-01 19:53:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Ria Nieyli
Lyn Farel wrote:
Well then, you might have a problem with the Amarr, because that is the way Amarr works. The individual means nothing, compared to the family and the House.

This is why generational slavery is a thing, among other facts. Everyone is deemed to pay for the mistakes of their own kin, as everyone is deemed to profit for their successes.

Something not so dissimilar to the Matari social structure, or even the megacorp culture to some extent. The group transcends the individual, with all the excesses that arise from it, as well as the pros.

Of course then, it does not mean that blanket statements about whole bloodlines make a lot of sense either..


While I am a member of the State Protectorate, I have complete authonomy within operational directives. I get rewarded according to my contributions to them, no questions asked. Certainly beats being declared heretic, deviant, criminal by every old person whom didn't like what you said.

Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Are you saying you are still serving your old cartel friends or something while still being part of SPROT?


I wonder. If you happen to realise that I'm a former Imperium member, will you try to rationalise the fact in light of my exchange with Arrendis here and die from the resulting aneurysm?
Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#82 - 2015-12-01 20:04:44 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:

While I am a member of the State Protectorate, I have complete authonomy within operational directives. I get rewarded according to my contributions to them, no questions asked. Certainly beats being declared heretic, deviant, criminal by every old person whom didn't like what you said.


There's a big difference between differing opinions, and outright condoning full blooded (pun intended) heresy. Ms Kernher disagrees with me on a lot of finer points of faith and Amarrian politics, but neither of us calls the other a heretic/deviant/criminal.

No one should be supportive of people like Nauplius.

Lyn Farel wrote:
Also, these whole public discussions remind me that this constant witch hunt for heretics and finger pointing are really weird.

Are people so quick to call upon others for their sins and heresies in a way to hide their own? Or in the hope to show their over-the-top-zeal?

Is that a contest? Is that even becoming of Amarr Faithful?

Are people trying to get noticed by the MIO and receive a pat on the head?

Is that a way to prove oneself?

Half of the discussions involving Faithful systematically end in monkeys slinging scripture at each other without even showing a hint of understanding them.

Really. I may lack the moral fortitude to found my own opinions most of the time, but it sure is no wonder that the head Chamberlain and other figures reprimanded the Faithful most of the time for their display.

Obedience without a thought is to be cultivated, but so is the moral certitude to know how and when to disagree.


Sure, witch hunts are never nice and not always in the best interests of the faith. However when individuals openly proclaim support or sympathy for someone like Omir, someone I hasten to add is widely considered a threat to not only the Empire but all humanity, I think that one is pretty cut and dry.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"

Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
SL33PERS
#83 - 2015-12-01 20:09:14 UTC
Utari Onzo wrote:
There's a big difference between differing opinions, and outright condoning full blooded (pun intended) heresy. Ms Kernher disagrees with me on a lot of finer points of faith and Amarrian politics, but neither of us calls the other a heretic/deviant/criminal.

No one should be supportive of people like Nauplius.


Nowhere have I supported Nauplius. It is, however, implied that I do, because I am of Khanid descent.
Tamiroth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#84 - 2015-12-01 20:12:18 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Also, these whole public discussions remind me that this constant witch hunt for heretics and finger pointing are really weird.

Are people so quick to call upon others for their sins and heresies in a way to hide their own? Or in the hope to show their over-the-top-zeal?

Is that a contest? Is that even becoming of Amarr Faithful?

Are people trying to get noticed by the MIO and receive a pat on the head?
Sorry, Lyn, but this Nauplius guy does everything that's in his power to get all the fingers pointed at him. He sacrifices millions to either to appease his delusions of God, or to enjoy that finger pointing, or both. No witch hunt needed: the witch proudly marches forward and says, "burn me if you can". The question isn't even "why not", the question is "can all my taunting and throwing cheap fit frigates at him provide the attention that he craves and at least delay another senseless mass slaughter by this madman?"

Lyn Farel wrote:
Is that a way to prove oneself?.
Probably yes. But other points are still valid.

As about the "heretics" in general...

If we, the Empire loyalists, won't take care of and/or clean up our own crazies, who else would?
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#85 - 2015-12-01 20:19:03 UTC
I am sorry, I did not especially mean your combat here...

My assertion was more about a general state of being where all those freelance capsuleer Faithful spend their time pointing fingers at each other for so called heresies.

Maybe I, err... chose the wrong thread for that...
Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#86 - 2015-12-01 20:24:35 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Utari Onzo wrote:
There's a big difference between differing opinions, and outright condoning full blooded (pun intended) heresy. Ms Kernher disagrees with me on a lot of finer points of faith and Amarrian politics, but neither of us calls the other a heretic/deviant/criminal.

No one should be supportive of people like Nauplius.


Nowhere have I supported Nauplius. It is, however, implied that I do, because I am of Khanid descent.


I'm not Samira, but I get the feeling she's probably more inclined towards pointing the finger at the officials that seemed to miss the obvious Sabik symapthies of Edeity, and the loyalist Khanid capsuleers who allegedly missed it too in their, perhaps commendable, rush to defend their King's right to choose a champion.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"

Satja Askariin
Adamantine Tactical Acquisitions
#87 - 2015-12-01 20:47:38 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:

Are people trying to get noticed by the MIO and receive a pat on the head?

Is that a way to prove oneself?


I suppose the proverbial pat on the head is what every convert or slave aspires to at some point in their lives or the lives of their children. The only way to prove your faith is through the course of time while remaining humble, respectful, and devout.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#88 - 2015-12-01 20:53:03 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
I am sorry, I did not especially mean your combat here...

My assertion was more about a general state of being where all those freelance capsuleer Faithful spend their time pointing fingers at each other for so called heresies.

Maybe I, err... chose the wrong thread for that...


It's not a bad point for discussion, though. Perhaps its own thread?
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#89 - 2015-12-01 21:04:43 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:

I wonder. If you happen to realise that I'm a former Imperium member, will you try to rationalise the fact in light of my exchange with Arrendis here and die from the resulting aneurysm?

So spiteful and here I thought you are my honourable and decent ally.
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#90 - 2015-12-01 21:52:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Lunarisse Aspenstar
Tamiroth wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Is that a way to prove oneself?.
Probably yes. But other points are still valid.

As about the "heretics" in general...

If we, the Empire loyalists, won't take care of and/or clean up our own crazies, who else would?


Utari Onzo wrote:

Sure, witch hunts are never nice and not always in the best interests of the faith. However when individuals openly proclaim support or sympathy for someone like Omir, someone I hasten to add is widely considered a threat to not only the Empire but all humanity, I think that one is pretty cut and dry.


Adepta Farel,

Because "SFRIM]s main focus will be fighting internal threats to Greater Amarr and strengthening it from within as well as fostering good relations to it's allies", Nauplius as an openly proclaimed heretic who has conducted numerous, public acts of mass violence is, and will always, be an internal threat to Greater Amarria and RED to the Society (and by extension yourself).

It is not motivated as a way to "prove" ourselves to other capsuleers, but to try to protect Greater Amarria and uphold the Faith. I really could care less if other independent capsuleers view our efforts as "proving oneself" or otherwise. Our judge is God.

I do think the discussion has gotten rather far from the OP and warrants a separate thread so as not to detract from Aspirant Tamiroth's efforts in this regard, which the Society supports fully and as to which I encourage you to lend any aid or assistance that you can, even if simply logistics.
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#91 - 2015-12-02 00:07:58 UTC
Shooting nappy is always a good thing. Good to see Sfrim stand up for their principles in this matter.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#92 - 2015-12-02 00:41:07 UTC
I am not an enemy of Greater Amarria, because Greater Amarria, properly understood, includes the Sani Sabik, who in the fullness of the coming Blood Age will reunite with the Amarr Empire and crush the Minmatar under our boots.
edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk
Crimson Inquisicion
#93 - 2015-12-02 04:11:29 UTC  |  Edited by: edeity
Tamiroth wrote:
this Nauplius guy does everything that's in his power to get all the fingers pointed at him. He sacrifices millions to either to appease his delusions of God, or to enjoy that finger pointing, or both.

...

If we, the Empire loyalists, won't take care of and/or clean up our own crazies, who else would?


An artiste, painting a wonderous piece of performance art. It is about life, about will, about meaninglessness of it all without faith, and of course challenges your very preconceptions of what is right and what is wong, what is real what is heresy, what is an enduring testament of the fundamentals of what we are. This is what he does.

You on the other hand burn the books of scholars and your betters by passing ill informed judgement and chanting "heresy heresy". Judgement of which you are not entitled to nor educated for nor mentally equipped to comprehend.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#94 - 2015-12-02 06:23:21 UTC
edeity wrote:
An artiste, painting a wonderous piece of performance art. It is about life, about will, about meaninglessness of it all without faith, and of course challenges your very preconceptions of what is right and what is wong, what is real what is heresy, what is an enduring testament of the fundamentals of what we are. This is what he does.


An artist, (e) or no, engages the observer with his art. He evokes thought and contemplation of the work, of its meaning, of its very nature. Nauplius has never expressed any desire for others to consider his works or to contemplate their meanings or their worth. He pops up from time to time to engage in gleeful gloating and boastful claims. He offers no challenge to preconceptions. Rather, he offers sadism and hateful rhetoric that presents nothing to evoke consideration of its meaning, and certainly never speaks to any preconceptions of anything, save his own obstinate hatred of one single ethnic group.

So, no, he is not an artist. He is a shallow, meaningless child, lashing out at those he can make less powerful than himself in order to cover up his own incredibly self-evident insecurities. He is, sir, a poseur of the most venal and trite calibre, and utterly without artistic merit. Even taken as a single performance piece, he is tired, boorish, and quite frankly, boring.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#95 - 2015-12-02 11:20:30 UTC
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:
Tamiroth wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Is that a way to prove oneself?.
Probably yes. But other points are still valid.

As about the "heretics" in general...

If we, the Empire loyalists, won't take care of and/or clean up our own crazies, who else would?


Utari Onzo wrote:

Sure, witch hunts are never nice and not always in the best interests of the faith. However when individuals openly proclaim support or sympathy for someone like Omir, someone I hasten to add is widely considered a threat to not only the Empire but all humanity, I think that one is pretty cut and dry.


Adepta Farel,

Because "SFRIM]s main focus will be fighting internal threats to Greater Amarr and strengthening it from within as well as fostering good relations to it's allies", Nauplius as an openly proclaimed heretic who has conducted numerous, public acts of mass violence is, and will always, be an internal threat to Greater Amarria and RED to the Society (and by extension yourself).

It is not motivated as a way to "prove" ourselves to other capsuleers, but to try to protect Greater Amarria and uphold the Faith. I really could care less if other independent capsuleers view our efforts as "proving oneself" or otherwise. Our judge is God.

I do think the discussion has gotten rather far from the OP and warrants a separate thread so as not to detract from Aspirant Tamiroth's efforts in this regard, which the Society supports fully and as to which I encourage you to lend any aid or assistance that you can, even if simply logistics.


Directrix,

It was definitely not my intention to refer to the Nauplius issues or the usual Sani-Sabik supporters present on this Galnet... I think that the matter of those heresies in relation to orthodoxy are clear and simple enough.

I am a bit hurt that you think I am putting that into question here.

My apologies again to lady Tamiroth for intruding about other matters...
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
SL33PERS
#96 - 2015-12-02 11:23:26 UTC
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Ria Nieyli wrote:

I wonder. If you happen to realise that I'm a former Imperium member, will you try to rationalise the fact in light of my exchange with Arrendis here and die from the resulting aneurysm?

So spiteful and here I thought you are my honourable and decent ally.


Lack of proper etiquette invokes contempt.
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#97 - 2015-12-02 12:39:46 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:

Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:


Adepta Farel,

Because "SFRIM]s main focus will be fighting internal threats to Greater Amarr and strengthening it from within as well as fostering good relations to it's allies", Nauplius as an openly proclaimed heretic who has conducted numerous, public acts of mass violence is, and will always, be an internal threat to Greater Amarria and RED to the Society (and by extension yourself).

It is not motivated as a way to "prove" ourselves to other capsuleers, but to try to protect Greater Amarria and uphold the Faith. I really could care less if other independent capsuleers view our efforts as "proving oneself" or otherwise. Our judge is God.

I do think the discussion has gotten rather far from the OP and warrants a separate thread so as not to detract from Aspirant Tamiroth's efforts in this regard, which the Society supports fully and as to which I encourage you to lend any aid or assistance that you can, even if simply logistics.


Directrix,

It was definitely not my intention to refer to the Nauplius issues or the usual Sani-Sabik supporters present on this Galnet... I think that the matter of those heresies in relation to orthodoxy are clear and simple enough.

I am a bit hurt that you think I am putting that into question here.

My apologies again to lady Tamiroth for intruding about other matters...


My apologies for misconstruing your words and my relief that i have done so. It's part of the dangers of sliding into off topic discussion when other readers, as such as me, may be focused on the topic at hand. At this point, there's quite a bit that really should be in another thread.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#98 - 2015-12-02 15:01:40 UTC
I am a bit of a scatterbrain, aren't I...?
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#99 - 2015-12-02 15:53:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Ria Nieyli wrote:

I wonder. If you happen to realise that I'm a former Imperium member, will you try to rationalise the fact in light of my exchange with Arrendis here and die from the resulting aneurysm?

So spiteful and here I thought you are my honourable and decent ally.


Lack of proper etiquette invokes contempt.


It's never been my opinion that Nieyli-haani has acted in such a manner as to bring her adopted people into disrepute. I'm proud to call her comrade and displeased, though not surprised, to see her attacked in public by those she ought to expect support from.

To make a long story short "If you don't want her, we'll keep her with pleasure."

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#100 - 2015-12-02 18:34:27 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:

Lack of proper etiquette invokes contempt.

By showing contempt in such maner you show your etiquette.
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
It's never been my opinion that Nieyli-haani has acted in such a manner as to bring her adopted people into disrepute. I'm proud to call her comrade and displeased, though not surprised, to see her attacked in public by those she ought to expect support from.

To make a long story short "If you don't want her, we'll keep her with pleasure."

Expecting support from people you don't know is naive at best, especially if you didn't do a thing to help those people in the first place, don't you think?

What an interesting choice of words Mr Tuulinen "if you don't want her, we'll keep her". I wouldn't have picked these exact words if I were talking about my trusted and respected brother in arms. Sounds a bit derogatory if you are speaking about a person and not a pet, but maybe that's just me.