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Possibility of fleet formations still alive?
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Tornii
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-11-29 10:16:47 UTC
I remember my forum question about four years ago regarding if CCP was still interested in developing a fleet formations feature saw a reply from a dev saying they were indeed still looking into the possibility. Is this still the case or is the idea done and dusted?
Lugh Crow-Slave
#2 - 2015-11-29 13:22:44 UTC
Dolorous Tremmens
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-11-29 15:30:29 UTC
Fleet formations are for sheep. Sheep go baa. Baa you formation flying sheep, baa..

And a moo thrown in for good measure for the fc.

It would look nice in commercials, esp with new dd weapons slicing them to bits.

I don't see submarines flying in formation, and for space... Well check out honeworld to see how irritating it would be for the guy in middle with the little lowest speed and transversal. Would you stay in formation when you'll be the most obvious easiest target to pop?

Only if you want to look cool. Oh yeah that was the entire point of formation flying.

Get some Eve. Make it yours.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#4 - 2015-11-30 12:04:02 UTC
Like Tackle warp to 0, dps warp to 20 and logi warp to 60?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2015-11-30 12:08:11 UTC
So if a fleet goes into formation, what speed do they move at? Different skills will mean different speeds, your line DPS ships will be different to your logi, your recons, your support etc...

What do you see formations actually doing, besides making you a bomb target?
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#6 - 2015-11-30 12:10:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
Danika Princip wrote:
So if a fleet goes into formation, what speed do they move at? Different skills will mean different speeds, your line DPS ships will be different to your logi, your recons, your support etc...

What do you see formations actually doing, besides making you a bomb target?


Pretty to look at when you doing mining fleets :)

however who decides the formation anyway? fc says what formation and my **** automatically aligns into this formation, i dont even need to move my ship manually? i can just press f1? Shocked

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Tornii
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-12-01 18:15:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Tornii
There are numerous different ways the system could be implemented. Formations could be used for certain situations (e.g. a fleet's DPS wing shooting a citadel gaining damage/range bonus when set up in formation), or for certain ship classes (e.g. anchoring formations for logistics), etc. There were some ideas floated around when the feature was first discussed on these forums years ago, and I'm just asking the devs to know if they're still thinking about it.

The point of introducing fleet formations in EVE would be making actual gameplay look more like what the game claims to be. When you promote yourself as representing this, but what you actually have is this, that's not really inspiring.
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-12-01 18:55:08 UTC
Formations at best could be done as a passive thing if side effect aoes existed such as damage reduction, more speed, etc. But would ned to be doable without removing active pilot input.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2015-12-01 22:22:49 UTC
Tornii wrote:
There are numerous different ways the system could be implemented. Formations could be used for certain situations (e.g. a fleet's DPS wing shooting a citadel gaining damage/range bonus when set up in formation), or for certain ship classes (e.g. anchoring formations for logistics), etc. There were some ideas floated around when the feature was first discussed on these forums years ago, and I'm just asking the devs to know if they're still thinking about it.

The point of introducing fleet formations in EVE would be making actual gameplay look more like what the game claims to be. When you promote yourself as representing this, but what you actually have is this, that's not really inspiring.



Again, what decides how fast a ship is going in formation? Who controls this? What advantage does it provide that the current practices don't? What controls which ships are in which subformation, is this just a huge pile of admin work for the FC?

Does anyone actually play zoomed in in big fleet fights?
Tornii
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-12-01 22:29:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Tornii
Danika Princip wrote:
Tornii wrote:
There are numerous different ways the system could be implemented. Formations could be used for certain situations (e.g. a fleet's DPS wing shooting a citadel gaining damage/range bonus when set up in formation), or for certain ship classes (e.g. anchoring formations for logistics), etc. There were some ideas floated around when the feature was first discussed on these forums years ago, and I'm just asking the devs to know if they're still thinking about it.

The point of introducing fleet formations in EVE would be making actual gameplay look more like what the game claims to be. When you promote yourself as representing this, but what you actually have is this, that's not really inspiring.



Again, what decides how fast a ship is going in formation? Who controls this? What advantage does it provide that the current practices don't? What controls which ships are in which subformation, is this just a huge pile of admin work for the FC?

Does anyone actually play zoomed in in big fleet fights?

re: advantage - I noted possible bonuses in my previous post.
re: the rest - I'm not sure if you read the OP where I said fleet formations were loosely mentioned years ago as a future possibility. It was never reviewed in that level of detail.
re: fleet fight zooming level - yes, some of us do use closer zoom levels; plus some fleet situations (like structure bashing) don't require zoomed out tactical view; plus the possibility of fleet formations is not only about large fleets.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2015-12-01 23:20:46 UTC
If you're not willing to actually discuss the idea, why did you make a thread?

if you're sitting on a structure in a formation, are you moving or are you painting a gaint 'please bomb me' target on your face? If the former, what decides your speed, if the latter, why would anyone actually do it for anything other than an unopposed structure bash, which will always be a lot quicker to just bring in some dreads for.
Tornii
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-12-02 05:33:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Tornii
Danika Princip wrote:
If you're not willing to actually discuss the idea, why did you make a thread?

I think I made it pretty clear that I opened this thread to ask CCP whether a feature I had received feedback on some time ago was still thought about. My ideas about FF were not at the forefront of discussion the last time and I'd let those more proficient at brainstorming raise technical points about it this time as well. I'm only intending to hear whether CCP has abandoned the hope of making actual gameplay look like what the game strives to be via FF, whether due to technical or gameplay reasons.
Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#13 - 2015-12-04 01:00:49 UTC
Just going to drop this here ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpjiCv2jPdU

Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2015-12-04 03:13:45 UTC
Hopelesshobo wrote:
Just going to drop this here ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpjiCv2jPdU


nice one Big smile is your fc Emilio Estavez and your call yorself mighty pinguinzPirate? haha really good oneBig smile

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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#15 - 2015-12-04 03:42:05 UTC
Eh...the Russikiye Vityazi (please tell me I remembered how to spell that one correctly) would still do it better anyways. Leave formation flying to the pros, please.

Besides, have any of you peeps actually seen the way those guys fly...those Flanker pilots are f'ing nuts! Props, Russia, props.

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."