EVE New Citizens Q&A

if by that you mean osmon, then imo that is the perfect place for suckers as they are people that probably don't understand the game mechanics as they aren't maxing their LP by going to one of the 0.5 systems. And they are a really big sucker if they thing 0.7 means any sort of safety. sure it is nice being closer to jita, but in a travel ceptor or blockade runner the distance hardly matters.

Although if you are talking about one of the lv 1 or 2 agents, then probably not.

I ran them in minmatar space in an artillery thrasher until I borrowed a cynabal for speed.
Using BCs is way too easy and boring.

Artillery > Missiles any day.

+1. Vigorously agreed. Missioning is awful. This is NOT Eve.
If you have not set a goal beyond missioning, then you're at very high risk of getting bored right out of the game.

I have never had a "normal" L4 mission lead to lowsec at Lanngisi. The nearest losec is a couple of jumps the other side of Hek.

Storylines, definitely. Burners on odd occasions. But generic L4 missions do not seem to even send you as far as Hek.

Lanngisi PROs:

- truesec is less than 0.5 so good LP
- it is an island constellation hanging off Hek with no losec
- 2 jumps to Hek and a bit over half a dozen to Rens for cashing in LP
- the SOE agent is one jump from L4 Minmatar and Amarr agents for standing balancing


Lanngisi CONs:
- you get a better return on SOE LP store items at Amarr or Jita
- you get a lot of missions in Barkrik where the deadspace mission areas are over 100 AU from the ingate
- 'nados gangs are an issue if you bling fit Maurauders and battleships
- Hek is a FW and losec ratting supply hub so the locals are a bit crazy, it is not unusual in local to see posts like "anyone want to duel in battlecruisers" or "who wants to duel my Vindicator"

I can not disagree with anything that you've said here. I've often said that you can't play Eve wrong.

That being said I'd like to add some clarification to the intent behind my comment.

Most other MMOs fit into one genre. Eve is very different from that. That other genre has as lot of engaging solo play as well as challenging PvE content. Eve due to it's high cost of death can not have PvE content that is anywhere near that challenging.

So by design Eve is a very different game. A game which is intended to shine in group activities and especially group activities involving PvP. I say this as a strict PvE player that's been PvEing in this game since 2009. However I understand that I am not normal, not IRL and not in this game.

So back to my original intent. So many players come here and assume missions are essentially like quests and they are not. In a game like WoW or Final Fantasy or the like you can quest in that game for years and constantly be introduced to new storylines and continue to level up and get new spell/moves and be walked through tutorials that are built into the storyline to teach you every aspect of the game.

In Eve you will wind up rescuing that whore of a Damsel that claims to be in distress over and over. I mean I'm at the point where I think that little princess likes being dominated by bad boys and likes having here ass sold like cheap meat at the deli. I guess that I should not be complaining, I mean her dad does keep forking over the cash for me to keep rescuing her.

Anyway back on topic which is that if you like running missions all day every day and never engaging with other players more than is absolutely necessary than have at it. However I just want to let new players know that if they think that missions are like quests and get bored with the game running missions, that they should know that this game is a group PvP focused game and that missioning, while it may be done by a lot of players, only accounts for a very very small percentage of the content in this game. The players are the content in this game and all of PvE takes a back seat to player created content.

So by all means if you are enjoying running missions don't let me stop you. However the people that are enjoying that game play don't need me to tell them to do what they enjoy. My comment was directed more at the player which gets bored with that type of thing, which I believe is the majority.

if u dont mind losing standing against the empire factions i think the missions are more profitable than normal

for example i got like 60m isk loot from a level 4 vs the amarr. Now i used to run missions a fair bit in high sec. i never got anything close to 60m just from loot.

to be fair tho i ran the level 4 against the amarr in low sec so the rewards might be slighlty better there.

you could always 'fix' ur empire standings by just running the soe epic arc once every three months iirc.

Because a drake is slow and ponderous with relatively low dps.

Using the "All 5" character from Pyfa, here's examples.

A Drake with a 10mn AB travels at a maximum sub-light speed of 444m/s, warps at 2.7AU/s, and can hit Guristas resist profile out to 55km for 299DPS.

A Machariel with a 100mn AB travels at a maximum sub-light speed of 553m/s, warps at 3AU/s without hyperspatial velocity rigs (4.71AU/s with 3 t1 rigs, something you can't put on a drake without sacrificing a lot of tank), and can hit Guristas resist profile at 55km for a bit over 400dps. Of course with the Machariel, you can do what I used to do. Fit for range and fit a MJD. Microjump up 100km, and snipe the rats as they come at you. Minimal tank needed when done right.

Then you have the Tengu, which when fit for PvE is better than a drake in every way.

And let us not forget the Gila, which can sport quite a strong shield tank, and the boosts it gives to its two drones makes them mini-AFs. I've cleared many a site in highsec and nullsec using Gilas.

Honestly, the Drake is almost the worst ship you can use to run missions of any sort. Slow sub-light speeds, slow warp speeds, pitiful DPS. The only thing a Drake has going for it is the fact that you can get some insane tank out of it, but you pay for that tank in every other category.

Not really. You can get similar DPS out of a Caracal, and the Caracal can partially speed tank to compensate for the reduction in raw HP when fit properly.

This is a very interesting discussion. There are so many ways to make ISK in this game. I particularly liked the comment towards the top about FUN! That is the most critical aspect. If you aren't having fun, then you are soooooo doing it wrong.

I read the threads about how to maximize the ISK per hour running missions and I remain skeptical. I really don't see how blitzing all of the missions as quick as I can could maximize the ISK per hour. I really need to try to track my own ISK per hour performance running 4s.

I do a full clear every time, then loot and salvage everything. Even on the longest of missions (e.g. Angel Extravaganza) I can run the mission (5 pockets), the bonus room, loot and salvage everything in 1.5 to 2 hours. I ran it a couple of days ago and, I think, I started about 830p and logged off shortly after 1030p. Like I said, I should track my performance for a few weeks and post it online. If I recall correctly, just the bounties for the NPCs in that mission total to 40 or 45M (about 30M without the bonus room).

I also think Dread Pirate Scarlet is very profitable if I do a full clear. I ran it about a week ago and the second pocket was Blood Raiders with 2 or 3 BS worth almost 2M. Although, I see how blitzing that one could be very efficient since the target is worth 5M and if I rush through the rooms I can get it done in easily 10 mins; multiple that out for an hourly rate and it looks really good!

Blitzing overall does pay more ISK. However it is important to realize most people do it for the challenge. To see what the maximum ISK per hour is they can achieve.

In reality by the time you have the SP and capital to start blitzing you probably do not really care if you make 80 mill an hour or 150 mill an hour. if it was just iSK I could make more per hour by logging my losec PI alts in more often and optimizing production.

It is sorta like owning a high performance car, regardless of whether there is any real benefit to driving at 150 mph you want to see what it can achieve.

The numerous threads around about whether running IIIs in a Mach is better ISK per hour than IVs and what is the optimal fit to do a burner mission in 1 minute 45 seconds instead of 1 minute 55 seconds (and spending 300 mill on officer mods to save that 10 seconds) are about solving logical puzzles and the challenge. The actual ISK you make is a useful side effect not the point of the exercise.