Missions & Complexes

ahh Jenn making me think of the old days where 3,000-5,000 isk/lp was possible and there were no incursion runners or fuzzworks to kill your markets. I found an old spreadsheet from early 2010 that says 83mil isk/hour, with a 3,500isk/lp ratio. and that was just running every mission that came up (stupid standings!), the list isn't really all that great and includes courier missions as agents could give those. LP/Min is the highlighted stat indicating that back then we* had realized LP was an important stat. I remember another spreadsheet where I pushed the numbers up, but I can't find it. I'm also not sure what character I was running on. Plankton would have probably brought the numbers up, but I think I was a bit more pirate focused then.

I imagine I had more spreadsheets, I do remember doing a what if I ran missions like an idiot in a low skilled (I had awful missile skills for a really long time so I was a good candidate :p) cnr test run that would be fun to find. But I would assume they were on the laptop that took a hockey puck straight to the HDD :<

* "we" as in whoever was active on the missions forums back in the day, as I doubt I would have realized that on my own.

No the problem is very much that PVE in all areas of space aside from WH is a mess. Over the years CCP have nerfed, buffed and added pve content without any thought of the overall picture which has resulted in a rather large game imbalance. Ratting in null sovs anoms using a subcap under the very best of circumstances will net you around the same as a mach blitzing level 3 missions in highsec. Greed is blinding people to the problems.

No as there are a lot more issues than that, Anoms for example are deeply flawed and also cause issues for eve. They are very poor at hosting large populations, they inject too much raw isk, they devalue over the years due to inflation and they can be run AFK. Highsec isn't the only place that requires some kind of nerfs.

Satisfied? No, I couldn't care less. I'm not interested in grinding that much isk, like I said before, I cba to blitz. But of all the problems people raise, I don't think the solution is as easy as "nerf hisec pve".

Edit: sorry, just noticed I don't think that was aimed at me, but I'll leave it as is for the point.

Maybe pve overall is a mess, can't say I've done a detailed analysis of it all. But anize spent the time and effort doing a detailed of analysis of a particular thing that some people CAN do, but some people that WON'T do it cos they live in space populated by douchebags, and then complain the game is broken. No sympathy.

I talked to an old corpmate in drone lands last night actually and he said he was getting 100mill with a Vexor Navy. He was getting this with less than perfect skills but looking at the dps output of a Vexor Navy its around 800 dps for All V.

Now when it comes to Anoms, as you well know it's pretty much all about the dps and application thereof as opposed to blitzing where it's more about range, application, speed and a little about the actual dps.

Since we're comparing pirate battleships, a similarly well skilled rattlesnake or even Mach for example should be pushing out 1400 dps. Now obviously an increase of around 75% in dps does directly translate into 75% increase in isk/h but it should be a very sizable bump up. Do you have any numbers what a T2 fit rattlesnake can make? More than a similarly skilled Mach blitzing lv3s, by a huge margin.

That man is telling you lies, that is greater income than a pimp fitted vindicator and on par with an active carrier.


Less.

Issue with the rattle is the delay in both the missiles getting to the target and the delay in the drones either by heavies getting to the target or returning to scoop the sentries. It also has much slower warp speed times which are key.

Ah right so now he lies. People said the same thing to me when I initially claimed 200mill/h+ and now you and Jenn are using it as gospel.

Again you are trying to marginalize the effectiveness of things counter to your argument by assuming worse possible scenarios. The 1400 dps was actually with heavy drones (not gecko), not sentries. Having the Rattlesnake stay close to the drones means that it's both close enough that there is a very small time between firing missiles and the missiles hitting the NPCs and that scooping drones is quick.

Warping from one site to another is nothing compared to warping from station, through 1 or 2 gates, warping to the mission pocket (and sometimes acceleration gates) and then doing all that again on the way back. Travel time is near enough a non factor with anoms, unless you're in a carrier I guess. Still no reason you cant fit hypervelocities to the rattlesnake.

Oh, and a Machariel gets 1400 dps too so your argument is irrelevant twice over.

Are you even reading what I am typing?

Are you serious? I literally addressed each and every single one of these things in the post you quoted. What the heck man. I even said the Machariel (That has one of the best align times and very best warp speed of all BS, equal to cruisers in fact) ALSO gets 1400 dps.

This is hilarious.



Relevant

While all of this is technically true, there will be all the usual counter arguments that's all already been covered in this and about half a dozen other threads. Things like dodging war decs for hisec stuff, afk cloakers in null, roaming gangs, missions only in NPC null, risk, etc.

However I have little sympathy for players belonging to any big alliances complaining. Isn't securing the space you want to make isk from part of the reason to belong to a big alliance in the first palce and part of what nullsec is all about or did I miss the memo?