Ships & Modules

I've been thinking about training for one and was playing around in EFT with the Revelation and the Phoenix (these are the easiest to train for my character). When I read different threads about them it seems as if the Rev is one of the best dreads out there both before and after the winter expansion. One of the advantages are no ammo of course.
The thing is, it seems as if the Phoenix has signifintly more dps and better active tanking abilities when comparing in EFT, both of them T2 fitted. So my question is, do people prefer the Revelation because og the flexibility of range and falloff or are there other reasons? The launchers only reach to about 60 km tops...

From what I understand it's the other way around, torps doing insane damage to structures, and the lazors keeping the DPS consistently hi with ammo changes. Well from the research I've started to do in the last month any way.

While it is true that Citadel Torps/Cruise Missiles have absolutely failtacular sig-radius and explosion velocity, a properly painted target WILL have 1500m sig radius. Add in webs and you can deliver a 134k Alpha Strike, albeit kinetic damage. Oh, and the ability to tank 16k DPS as long as your cap holds out. So, the Phoenix, with proper EWar support will obliterate a lot of standard battleships today, and god help you if you have a MWD and those missiles land.

The Revelation, on the other hand, while it has 3k DPS on the Phoenix, has a third of the raw alpha strike that Phoenix can bring to the table, plus twin tracking computers without siege mode and you still track like a drunken sailor at a urinal. You'll shoot everything AROUND who you want. If the target is in a straight line when they attempt to burn away, you might get a teeny bit of the LAZORS on target.

So, right tool, right job and that all that.

Now, if you want a Dreadnaught to murder Small Things, send in a Moros with Tracking Comps and Webs. It's a messy, sordid and sad affair.

OP: Phoenix for structures, NAG for flexibility, Rev/Moros for Fleet fights.

Phoenix can be brought into fleet fight with support as mentioned previously with TP for sig radius bloom.

Ultimately the question is... Can you afford to lose 1.6-2bil isk worth of ship at this time? Because the moment you play this game with the attitude that you will fly something you do not feel comfortable losing, you will get hot dropped, and be force to lose it.

Accept everything you fly is already destroyed and the game is more fun.

-DT

The revelation has its advantages in that it will keep shooting without having to reload and the tech 1 ammo is infinite and lasts forever.

This is great for long sieges or WH's where logistics can be a problem.

It is also much cheaper and cost effective when you factor in ammo costs.

Even using faction crystals is much cheaper than using T1 ammo on the rest of the dreads. Using Faction ammo becomes several times more expensive for the Naglfar, Moros, and Phoenix.

Using Jita prices

Antimatter XL: 2300 isk per shot

EMP XL: 2100 isk per shot

Rift Citadel Torpedo: 2500 isk per shot

Rajas Citadel Cruise: 2700 isk per shot

Sansha Multifrequency XL: 3,500,000 isk for 4000 shots = only 875 isk per shot

It costs about 3 times less for a Rev to use faction crystals than for the other dreads to use regular t1 ammo.

When you're shooting at something for a long time, the costs really pile up.

Now when you're using regular T1 crystals these will last forever, faction crystals last a long time.

Last but not least Crystals take only 1 m3 of cargo per crystal, leaving you with plenty of space you put extra mods, fuel, strontium, etc.

On the other hanf, revelation don't have to hug POS, to hit it with full force.

Still I'm wondering. Doesn't the 13,5 K dps of a T2-fitted Moros outweigh the benefit of no-ammo on a Revelation when it can only muster 6 K dps?

I'd give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he was thinking of a beam fit -- still apples to oranges, just not completely crazy.

Dont you ever use that argument for a missile based ship ever again

Depends upon what I'm trading for that capacitor. If it's a 25% RoF bonus? Yes, absolutely. The Moros can drop magstabs to add more capacitor if necessary (and it will still do more DPS when it does so). The Revelation cannot exchange its cap savings bonus for extra damage, and stacking penalties prevent you from making up the difference with more heat sinks.

It's useful, certainly -- but you have to weigh it against what you're losing. And when you're comparing it to the Moros, you're losing something you absolutely cannot get back.