Missions & Complexes

I don't know why the things being said here are hard to understand.

Null income doesn't need increasing. increasing it would be bad for the game, and some of us aren't selfish enough to want to see that happen just to enrich us.

The current situation creates a backwards incentive for high end pve players to "go isk up in high sec" rather than be out in the places they actually live. Hell, right this moment i'm considering logging in my incursion alt because INIT is roaming around my constellation looking for kills, making ratting a risky proposition. My choice right this second is warp my ratting mach to a site and hope I can get out, or my mate can get to me before I pop. OR log off this toon, log in incursion alt on same account, and not een glance at local at all. If no incursions, log in Navy Raven pilot in Lanngisi and chill for the rest of the evening.

High Sec should not be so enticing. Going back to high sec for someone like me should be a compromise. "Well, I'm tired of the disruptions of null and low sec, ill go back to high and chill, and I accept Ill make a little less isk per hour but hey, i'll be safer" is how that should work.

But that's not how it works it works like "well, tired of the disruptions of null, guess i'll log on in high sec AND BE REWARDED FOR THAT DECISION with not ony more safety, but more income as well".

Anize Onamara provided the proof, used to rat in null with 2 characters for 16 mil per character per tick (32 mil total), and now has a guide about how to make twice as much isk in an hour using 1 toon and 'some set up costs' lol. How can grown people be so dishonest as to see the above words and not say "you know, that sounds unbalanced".

lawl,

im sure when you are wardecced, you will stop what you want to do & just fight them off hey?

When you decided to compare HS & NS ratting incomes, while min maxing down to the last LP & saying "oh you are in nullsec, you just kill the gang with your corp mates blurf hurf."

its not a balanced ledger, you know it, or you would still be in nullsec ratting & not in highsec.

E: you were in AU TZ nullsec, you mean to tell me you could get 100 corpmates to stop ratting/do whatever to fight a gang off?

like a race horse you have the blinkers on, melbourne cup has come and gone mate!

I have two accounts subbed, I don't use the other one to make isk because I can't realistically do that with mission running the way I do. That's how it's balanced. I am realistically limited to one account. In null I can use that other account to make isk (not to mention passive PI on both), and I can add more accounts for more isk for my real time invested. It's not my fault people aren't taking advantage of this. Maybe I should write a guide on it. You keep ignoring this simple fact and I will continue to bring it up until you acknowledge it; Nullsec has a higher isk/h cap (and this is fine!). I'm sure there is a point where too many clients running at the same time is just too many, maybe 4 or so comfortably for a normal person?

Also no reply regarding manning up and keeping the space you own clean. The whole point of Null is you get to be concord but from looking at some of the recent news regarding null I guess that dream changed at some point in time.

When did the dream die man, when did it die?

no, you are responsible for the decline of this thread.

now come on time is money minion, you just wasted 4.3m reading this.

You wonder why I keep hammering on you. it's noting personal, but when I see someone in this much denial about something, it's irritating. We are talking about a balance situation, 1 character to 1 character. Talking about how much you can do with 2+ characters doesn't address the imbalance (side not, unlike you I have used multiple characters in null, you STILL can't make the same kind of isk you make in your guide using 2. 2 Rattlesnakes will at best pull 180 mil per hour, maybe 2oo if you stick to forsaken hubs and use each ship in individual sites to avoid overkill and if doubt that I don't mind getting 2 snakes over the course of the next week and making a video showing this to you). The only way you match what you can do in high sec is use two carriers.

two carriers in some place where npcs won't help you if you get attacked, because the other thing you don't address here (but do adress in your guide with the words "Relative safety") is the fact that CONCORD provides you additional value.

No one is telling you to stop doing what you are doing. What you are doing isn't against the EULA. It is unbalanced though, and it's ok if you can't admit that publicly, but stop getting mad at me for talking about it.





Go to Zkillboard. in the search bar in the upper right type in "Jenn aSide". Look at the part that tells you were my activity occurs and you will see that the vast bulk of the killmails I get on are in 2 constellations in Wicked Creek.

After you've done that, tab back over to this page and read what you wrote again. understand that you are reacting the way you are not because I've been mean to you, but because I've told you a truth about your on opinions that make you uncomfortable.

I don't mean any harm dude, but you are wrong, and from reading your excelent guide I know you are smart enough to not be wrong (which makes it worse, it you were some idiot I could dismiss you, but you actually seem to be a good PVEr)



It dies when you bascially turned into Market McSelling Alt jr and stopped being able to tell the truth about a video game issue. Stop doing that.

Who ever said anything about enticing people to go somewhere? I don't want people to leave where they are (even if making them leave was possible, which it is not, this is game, people just log off rather than do something they don't want to).

No, this isn't about making people move. It's about freeing those of us who already moved out of high sec from having to be in high sec (and FW). High sec should be a viable place to live for those who choose it, but it should not be so good as to entice people like me to make high sec isk making alts.

Ideally, a PVE players living in null (or low) should only have an alt in high sec (or FW) because he/she actually likes high sec PVE (or FW missions), not because it offers so much better rewards than the space he/she lives in.





I can agree with all of this. However the problem is that missions are blitzable and some "Null Version of Anize Onamara" will find a way to maximize it to the point where it becomes a problem (some people do this in npc null now). Even if it's LP or tags instead of isk, it's still the problem of too much wealth coming into the game.

Well, that can be fixed by CCP by allowing the Command Destroyers to use their Micro Jump Drive Generator in hisec. Can we say Incursion ganking? There are already a lot of isk faucets, but not enough isk drains.

Need more people out there can/mission flipping too.

Of course, if that were to happen people would be screaming on their hisec alts to make hisec even more safe. You know, because of self-entitlement and stuff.

And yet it rolls on…



Four pages later, still talking…

I for one am not going to suggest it's balanced. I think Null sec should be able to provide higher ISK/hr than Hi sec, by quite a margin. But because of the mechanics of Null sec, I don't see it being implementable without trashing the rest of the game.

It was mentioned earlier, why don't people go out into Null and fight for a piece of space of their own? Simple. Cos as soon as they do, all their stuff gets blown up by all the other people in Null. I can't go and fight for a corner of space to call my own without joining one of the major power blocs that already claim it. And that's not how I want to play this GAME. Which incidentally, I pay for with real money, not ISK, cos I think CCP have made a good game and deserve to be paid for it.

You said it yourself Jenn, a single cloaked ship can enter a system and everyone will drop what they are doing and run and hide. I don't want to play like that. But I can't play the game the way I want to play it in Null because of the other people in Null, who seem to think I have to play the game the way they want to play or not at all. I see this behaviour in the playground when I pick my children up from school. But it's the way Null sec works. And it's fine if that's how you want to play.

Maybe the rewards in Null should be raised (but then does it also need to be made less afk-able), maybe the rewards in High should be lowered (but then are we punishing the people who, like me, can't commit to Null sec because of ropey internet connection and the ever loving Spouse Aggro phenomenon, or who just don't want to PVP for whatever reason). People like Anize play PVE in a very specific way, which I frankly could not be arsed to do, and manage to nudge ahead of the ISK/hr curve by doing so. Is the game broken by this, does anybody else suffer or particularly care? No. I would like to go to Null and experience higher level PVE content, but at the moment it's not convenient. I'm not interested in making the max ISK I can, I have plenty of ISK to cover my simple needs, but I do not begrudge other people for playing this GAME any other way.

This is what happens when you brag about how much you make in hi-sec with your blitzing. You provoke null crybabies like Jenn to start whining about nerfing hi-sec income blah blah.

Jealousy is an ugly thing.