Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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In after the Move!

PI kind of is an isk faucet. You're generating isk from a planet. It isn't being transferred from planet-side players to your wallet. You're collecting valuable commodities that regenerate on a regular basis and then selling them to players who have isk and want what you have.

I'm not against PI changes, and I'm certainly not against making it more valuable. But I agree that there needs to be more risk before the reward is increased. I like the idea of PI orbital bombardment and I like the idea of defensive structures, but it would need to be balanced out. You can't say that the increased reward is balanced by giving other players the ability to bombard your settlements, then turn around and set up a bunch of high-power defenses that can effectively ward off several ships. But if your defense system can't ward off several ships, then it's pretty much useless.

Maybe introduce a new mechanic for attacking PI installations that operates similarly to drones or fighters. The drones (or in-atmosphere fighters, or whatever you want to call them) that you would use would be half the size of light drones and would deal significantly less damage, but an amount that makes sense for shooting at buildings and people/droids/whatever the hell occupies PI installations. A damage percentage for each building could be displayed, and the efficiency of each building would be reduced by x amount for each percentage closer to 100%. For example, your Phallus Palace normally creates 2000 black dildos per cycle, but at 10% damage it creates 1800 per cycle, and at 20% it creates 1600/cyc. Building won't need to reach 100% damage to be rendered inoperable. They could stop running programs or producing materials at, say...75-80%-ish.

So the owner of the installation can receive a notification that his installation is under attack, just like pos structures. The attacking pilot has a chance to screw up a PI installation, which I can see putting a nifty new spin on ganking depending on how Crimewatch responds to attacking PI installations, but the attacking pilot can't instantly destroy an entire installation. This seems like it would be pretty fairly balanced for the installation owner. The only part I haven't considered, however, is where the reward would be for the attacking pilot. Why take the time to attack a PI installation and run the risk of the owner's corp retaliating with a blob if there's no reward to be gained?

Edit: Sorry for the comment about dildos. The idea was flowing and I wasn't going to stop to search for words. Dildo was the first thing that...CAME...to mind. Lol. Don't ask why, I don't have an answer for you. My mind is just odd that way, I guess.

Kill mails is the only provocation 99.9996% of all PVPers require.

It seems you're confusing profits with faucets. Faucets create new ISK that didn't exist beforehand, or atleast ISK that no one had access to before then. That is not the same as ISK being moved from one player to another. Bounties are the biggest faucet as it is moving ISK from NPC hands into the hands of players.

It could be argued, based on this, that PI is one of the biggest faucets. However PI goods are not the only commodities in EVE, assuming they are even lumped in to that category at all instead of another.

What part of NEW ISK didn't you grasp?

This is very simple ****.

Suppose Bob and Tom are the only two players in the game. They each possess 100 ISK, so the economy has, in total, 200 isk.

Bob makes some PI crap and sells it to Tom for 50 isk. Now Bob has 150 isk and Tom has 50. The economy still has 200 isk, in total. This last bit is only thing you really need to know to determine if it is an "isk faucet".

Calling it an isk faucet is always 100% wrong. That term has a very specific meaning which clearly escapes you.

They are not "placeholders for isk if you choose to use them as such" because it actually requires someone else choosing to use their ISK in the transaction, as well. The quantity of ISK in the economy remains identical - it only changes hands.




No, that can't be argued. First hint: The section you're looking at is very clearly labelled "NPC MARKET". This is ISK introduced to the economy from an NPC purchasing something from a player. Problematically, there is no NPC market for PI commodities. They don't buy them.

That section is basically various bounty tokens (sleeper blue loot being the largest chunk, overseer's effects, etc.) and actual NPC trade goods (e.g., long-limb roes).

I support anything that will reduce the viability margin for PI alts, bringing a larger fraction of the income to mainaholics. Adding a higher SP curve would help, increasing output without increasing demand will also help.

PI is already a system where you have to do so little work to get something, it didn´t deserve a buff. It deserves to be more of an activity.

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PI is a PITA to set up. Once set up is pretty much free income. It's crazy lucrative right now. It deffo doesn't need to be more.

PROHINT: If your PI isn't paying for your PLEX then you are doing it in the wrong area of eve. Which is the rub with your idea. HS PI sux. HS PI in a busy area really really sux. On the other end of the spectrum WH (-1.0 truesec) is pretty easy and crazy lucrative. PI is pretty well balanced right out of the box. You wanna run missions in HS - you get crappy PI. You want to live out on the edge in WH space - you get a lot of PI income. Risk / reward is pretty good.

If you want to make PI better, figure out a way to bypass the 'death by a 1000 clicks' setup process. Being able to swap stuff in a reasonable fasion would probably go a longer way in making PI more productive. We've all been: 'Sigh, I should swap this setup to (fill in good PI idea), but I only have 3 hours before I go to bed and I don't want to spend half of it swapping a PI setup' at which point we leave the same played out setup for one more day (week, month).

Raising PI output by 25% would overload my process streams - forcing me to train the power grid upgrade skill to 5 just to keep up with the incoming P0 materials.

Power Grid Management affects PI also? That's a new one on me, I was under the impression it only affected ships. Can anyone confirm this? Or did you mean upgrading the command center fully?