Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Okay this all started when I was reviewing the current trade figures.
A nomad costs 11b to make, yet it's selling for 6b.
In the whole scheme of T1, T2 and T3 production, its neglible. Only 17% of the manufacturable items are selling for a loss.
So I thought it might be nice if scrapmetal could be increased or at least revised to maybe 70% instead of the 55% it is currently.
That way you wouldn't have to wait for an item to sell for a 45% loss before it was viable to scrapmetal.
But you get back to the same issue of gun mining.

I have to wonder at the increased value of assets in the game, how much is caused by Missioners and Ratters who just stockpile their loot because there is nothing better to do with it.

Proposal A: Damaged Items.
Loot, especially from NPC's drop the damaged version of said item. When you blow up a ship it is unlikely that you'll find a fully intact MWD. But there would be an option of either scrapping it as it stands today, or maybe even repairing it.
That way, it frees the market up and can be more flexible in culling the products which are selling for less than cost.
Ergo, more products are viable to produce.
To prevent gun mining, Interbus will buy your damaged scrap for 30% value.

Proposal B: Durability
I propose a durability system based on the age of an item. Its most likely where Eve is heading anyways.
With the dirt based system, they are already tracking how old a ship is. To be clear, this only applies to assembled ship hulls.
Lets say arbitrarily, once a ship goes below 50% structure or is over 6 months old, it becomes susceptible to normal wear and tear damage. Maybe even to the point of structure permanently decreasing every week/month, slowly but perceptibly.
They already have BIAB for skills, why not, Ship in a Box for ships.
Yes this will affect those with more ships. Maybe could add a criteria, that if a ship that has been docked for the last 3 months, initiates the wear and tear timer. Or even if you collect enough tribute, all your ships are immune.

Side rant :
I see PLEX as a direct measure of the player population's ability to earn money.
Think of it as the retirement fund, which was originally conceived to only serve the top 5% of the population who lived, the oldest 5% of the population. The silly thing they did was hardcode the 5% to an arbitrary number. Now everyone feels entitled.
PLEX is similar, its only meant to serve the top percentage of the ISK earners in Eve.

Quickly looking at the numbers nomad costs around 6.3B to build not 11B. And is selling for 6.2B

just..... no
getting damaged items back that need some sort of repair before they can be sold - fine
getting damaged items back that need repair before they can be used OR sold - fine
getting damaged items back that are effectively single run BPC's - fine

interbus buying those damaged items back at 30% market value - fine

durability - we have that - it's called armour and hull HP
also - ships should only accumulate wear and tear from actual use - I have a writing pad from 4, no 5, years ago - I've not used it and it's still just as good, I have a different writing pad (different style) from about 2 months ago - it's already looking scruffy round the edges because I use it so often

side rant - irreverant

Well yeah, if you are buying all the inputs like Capital Construction Parts at market prices you will not be able to make a nomad an sell it at a profit. You have to vertically integrate your production process--i.e. make things like the Capital Construction Parts yourself.

He is looking at buying things like Capital Jump Drive and Capital Fusion Reactor Unit vs. making them himself. Which of course makes the production process all that much more expensive than if you internalize those costs by vertically integrating the entire production process. So his observation is correct...he is just doing it wrong.

Edit: Just checked via Eve-central the market for things like the Capital Fusion Reactor Unit in Jita is practically dead. There is exactly 1 sell order in Jita and 1 in Amarr. In other words, the market has very little competition and buying off the market means you are paying a premium (essentially monopoly profits/economic profits) to avoid those production costs yourself.

are you asking if you would be punished for your ships being old? I think so under this program.

for a change, I'm in agreement with you.....
it's like the exact opposite of the introduction of kill-marks

I also happen to have some fairly old ships, including my 4th thrasher ever (after I lost the first 3 in rapid succession)

I suppose it MIGHT serve to keep good renewing - IRL you buy a car, eventually it rusts, you buy a new one, keeps the market ticking over.....

Also, if something is getting costly to keep - you're more likely to act rashly with it, (ships exploding)

I'm not sure about how this would affect industrials......